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    Week 118: 25 yard El Presidente

    Week 118: 25 yard El Presidente

    Results may be posted until July 30th, 2015.

    Range: 25 yards
    Target: Three USPSA Metric targets
    Start Position: Facing uprange, wrists above shoulders
    Rounds Fired: 12
    Procedure: Start with pistol loaded and holstered, facing uprange with wrists above shoulders. Upon start signal, turn and draw and shoot two shots to each target, reload, and shoot two shots to each target. No extra shots allowed.

    Concealment is optional.

    Targets spaced one yard apart - we are doing the USPSA Classifier version of El Prez, but at 25 yards.

    The reload can be from slidelock or an in-battery reload.

    IDPA targets are optional.

    Record hits and times. Add up the points. Divide your points by your time to get your hit factor. For the sake of simplicity, if you are shooting 9mm/.38 Spl, you will have Minor scoring. If you are shooting .40/.45/.357, you will have Major scoring. For Minor scoring, A = 5 points, B/C = 3 points, D = 1 point. For Major scoring, A = 5 points, B/C = 4 points, D = 2 points. If you are using IDPA targets, score the -0 zones as As, the -1 zone as Cs, and the -3 zone as Ds.

    For reference, here is a video of noted GM Yong Lee shooting this drill:



    Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

    Gun, holster, concealment used (if any)
    Targets used
    Points
    Time
    Hit factor (points divided by time)
    Anything you noticed during the drill

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    Shot cold, first thing I did at the range today.

    Gun, holster, concealment used (if any) : Sig P229 .40, Comp-tac Infidel, polo style shirt. Reloads in Blade-tech IDPA dual mag pouch.
    Targets used : IPSC torso style
    Points : 42
    Time : 12.90
    Hit factor (points divided by time) : .307
    Anything you noticed during the drill : I started shifting to a target focus after the reload instead of a front sight focus. I had some indexing issues drawing from a tight to the body IWB as opposed to the offset holster I am used to. I need to crank my wrist over a bit more so my sights aren't pointing a bit left when I pull
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    I'm damn sure not shooting this one cold! Good on ya. Sub 13 sounds pretty fast
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    I'm damn sure not shooting this one cold! Good on ya. Sub 13 sounds pretty fast
    Thanks. This is the first time I've done it and I'm not sure what a good base line is. I'm definitely going to try it with my P226 when it comes back, too.
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    Shot it cold, with a newish gun, in the rain, with some of the thirstiest mosquitoes I've ever seen.

    Glock 17 gen4
    MSRkydex IWB gun and spare mag concealed.
    USPSA targets
    60 points
    32.01 seconds (wooooow... A turtle passed me twice before I was done )
    1.87 hit factor? Not sure if I'm doing this right.. 60 devided by 32.01?

    I noticed :
    Draws from concealed SUCK! I train and play with OWB but carry IWB.. Doesn't make sense, I know. Gonna fix that. Also need to work on a better grip out of the holster. Need to try and speed things up instead of going slow and getting a nice slow trigger press. Lots to things to work on. This is my first ever DOTW, pretty nervous announcing to the whole world I suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabe View Post
    This is my first ever DOTW, pretty nervous announcing to the whole world I suck.
    60 points is a perfect score. All "A" zone hits at 25y isn't sucking.

    I can't help on the hit factor thing. I don't know if high or low is good. I just did the math that was presented.
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    Gen 4 G34, Blade-Tech OWB, no concealment, USPSA metric targets

    First run: 2A2C x3, 48 / 12.59 = 3.81 HF



    I like running drills like this at longer-than-normal ranges so I ran it five times total. The first run wasn't terrible but I was disappointed in the number of C's...accuracy was better on all subsequent runs (54s and 56s), and all but one with a totally botched reload were faster than the first as well.

    Best of 5: 4A 3A1C 2A2C, 54 / 11.04 = 4.89 HF

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    Higher hit factor is better. It is simply points per second. So the the ultimate goal being shooting max points as fast as you can but many will find you can drop a few points and go faster to achieve a better score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabe View Post
    This is my first ever DOTW, pretty nervous announcing to the whole world I suck.
    60 points is a perfect score. All "A" zone hits at 25y isn't sucking.
    Agreed! And props on shooting it in those conditions, that's hardcore. You may have seen them already but Mr_White did an excellent job with a series of drills starting in Week 95 that really break down the components of going fast (grip, draw, trigger press, reloads)...adopting that approach of studying and practicing each element separately has been immensely helpful to me, IMO it is a very productive way to learn to do things right at speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's View Post
    Points : 42
    Time : 12.90
    Hit factor (points divided by time) : .307
    Looks like you did the math backwards; your hit factor is actually 42/12.90 = 3.2558, which seems pretty good to me for that distance, especially given that you shot it cold. When/if I get the chance to set this up and shoot it, I expect it to be quite challenging to find an acceptable balance between accuracy and speed.
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