Precisely and that's what you call a Banana Republic.Originally Posted by Jeep
Precisely and that's what you call a Banana Republic.
Fairness leads to extinction much faster than harsh parameters.
We are definitely headed that way. One day we might go the full Venezuela.
1+ to this. People who ignore the goofy gyrations required to come to a decision because they agree with the decision are often the most shocked when they discover that those same precedents are used against them. It's a bitch to realize you enabled your own demise because it was convenient.
Yup.
Fairness leads to extinction much faster than harsh parameters.
However, when the decision goes their way on either side - the proponents think the Constitutional and precedent analysis is genius. When it goes against them, then the analysis is crap.
I said before, the justices have gut beliefs and then look for precedents and rationales. This makes some folks furious as they think their guy or gal is a constitutional genius (if the decision goes with their gut beliefs).
What else is new? These aren't the laws of physics but social constructs. Some folks like to think they are the laws of physics or divine immutable principles. So they get all steamed when it doesn't go their way.
Agreed.
In order. SCOTUS decides, when we like a decision there is dissent, when don't there is welcome dissent but the fact is their decision is determined by the majority and that becomes the law of the land. Public employees should only follow the law of the land while at work because they serve everybody blue red and rainbow.
On the reasoning for the 2a: I see the point and agree with it completely. The post on FB captures not only that but many repressed emotions while being treated as a deviant because I exercise my constitutional rights. I had a discussion about guns last night with my wife that left me bitter and upset. This morning she made up sending me a fabulous email "22 reasons why men prefer guns to women", but the fact remains that even in my family there is a gender-based divide on the right to bear arms that pisses me off to no end.
I am with you on all of that. I also think that an employee in CT has the duty to apply the law while at work no matter how asinine the gun restriction is. I don't want public offices where everybody feels entitled to their piece of advice while at work, it becomes untenable pretty fast.
Jeep has objected to examples I offered of religious restrictions saying they were "straw opinions" but they are not. The first was a tenet of the Mormon Church the South African Church and others. The second and third are active prohibitions for Orthodox Jews and Muslims. So much for straw, let's not forget we are in the country where Westboro followers roam the land albeit in small numbers.
How would you feel about the following: SCOTUS extends our rights on the same principles allowing us to carry with our permits everywhere. You come to MA for a match and they arrest you for carrying because the officer feels that the decision was unconstitutional, and surely there would be a dissent from some judge to back up his BS. Would you be happy about that? Would you feel you live in a country where the law of the land is applied fairly? I think not.
My point is exact,h that. Gay marriage is the law of the land. End of the b#%^ story. Let's fight the good fight for our rights and let gays be bored miserable and pay more taxes, and get laid less. Fair is fair.
I find this part of the ruling the core of the argument:The Constitution and Bill of Rights and associated SCOTUS rulings that clarify other rights under the penumbra (Right to privacy...Conn v Griswold) create an expectation of liberty and freedom and the right to be treated equally under the laws of our lands. Irregardless of how the SCOTUS justified the decision, the SCOTUS is here to ensure the laws adhere to certain prime tenets that the Constitution/BOR/Precedents guarantee for all citizens. I am sure the SCOTUS would have liked to have seen a Constitutional Amendment to pass and explicitly give gays/lesbians this Constitutional guarantee. But the political realities are not likely to see that happen for many years, if ever. Our society changes faster than that. As the SCOTUS pointed out marriage itself has changed dramatically since the Constitution was written, from arranged marriages to modern marriages. The SCOTUS is there to ensure that citizens' rights don't suffer under many years, if not decades of harm due to political gridlock.The challenged laws burden the libertyof same-sex couples, and they abridge central precepts of equality.The marriage laws at issue are in essence unequal: Same-sex couplesare denied benefits afforded opposite-sex couples and are barred fromexercising a fundamental right. Especially against a long history ofdisapproval of their relationships, this denial works a grave and continuingharm, serving to disrespect and subordinate gays and lesbians.Pp. 18–22.(4) The right to marry is a fundamental right inherent in theliberty of the person, and under the Due Process and Equal Protec-Cite as: 576 U. S. ____ (2015) 5Syllabustion Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment couples of the same-sexmay not be deprived of that right and that liberty. Same-sex couplesmay exercise the fundamental right to marry.
I am thankful that the SCOTUS protects our rights and watches over us citizens, because legislatures typically do not. I am thankful for Heller, thankful for Griswold, and thankful for Obergefell as they continue to enforce the liberties and rights that we hope our Constitution and our government will guarantee.
All Monday-morning quarterbacking is meaningless when rights and liberties are denied.
This is a great country and I am very proud to be a citizen. The Bill of Rights stands as the greatest achievement towards free men and free women the world has ever seen.
Cody
That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
Let's see how restrictions placed against gay marriage by the States attempting to curb the ruling will be treated compared to the restrictions in place to prevent Heller.
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