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    New 9 mm ammo testing

    This week we tested some 9 mm 124 gr +P JHP's in contrast with current 147 gr duty ammunition.

    Fed HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1208 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.64", Ave RL = 0.38", Ave RW = 123.8gr
    4LD: Pen = 14.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
    AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.0 gr

    Rem Golden Saber 124 gr +P bonded JHP (GSB9MMD) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1188 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 12.6", Ave RD = 0.59", Ave RL = 0.37", Ave RW = 123.0 gr
    4LD: Pen = 15.9", Ave RD = 0.55", Ave RL = 0.41", Ave RW = 124.1 gr
    AG: Pen = 14.2", Ave RD = 0.46", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 123.8 gr

    Fed HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2) fired from G17 at ave vel of 1014 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 12.2", Ave RD = 0.63", Ave RL = 0.39", Ave RW = 147.5 gr
    4LD: Pen = 15.4", Ave RD = 0.53", Ave RL = 0.50", Ave RW = 147.2 gr
    AG: Pen = 13.0", Ave RD = 0.50", Ave RL = 0.59", Ave RW = 143.6 gr



    The photo depicts two of the 147 gr HST control rounds to the left of the dime--the top one fired into BG, the bottom into 4LD. The top row to the right of the dime is the 124 gr +P HST fired into BG, followed by the same round into 4LD. The third row is the 124 gr +P bonded Golden Saber in to BG, with the bottom row being GS shots into 4 LD.

    Both the 147 gr HST and 124 gr +P HST rounds are among the finest 9 mm duty loads currently available.
    Last edited by DocGKR; 06-14-2014 at 08:10 PM.

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    Thanks, DocGKR! As someone who has been carrying the P9HST3 for a while, it's great to see in black and white (and in lead, gel, & denim).

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    Doc, I wonder how bullet performance in these loads would change as the barrel length is reduced? Does it make sense to favor the 124 +P over the 147's in shorter barrels (for instance the 3.5" barrels of the M&P9c or G26)? Thanks.

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    The G26 is a 3.5" barrel, G19 is 4", G17 is 4.5". Generally we test using a 4" barrel, although in this specific test we were asked to use a G17. There is minimal difference using well designed 9 mm ammunition in barrels from 3.5" - 4.5". Now go down to a 3" barrel or use another caliber, things can change a bit.

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    Thanks for the great tests doc.

    How does the 147gr Golden saber compare to its 124gr +P cousin?

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    have you tested the plus p 147 at all? it appears to expand like standard pressure in bg, when shot through 4ld but tests ive seen showed slight underpenetration id like to see what it would do in a formal test

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    We have had no LE requests for evaluation of the 147 gr +P HST and thus have not tested it; however, I will see if our ATK rep has a box they can spare and run some tests in the next few months.

    The 147 gr GS works OK.

    9mm Rem 147 gr JHP Golden Saber GS9MMC fired from S&W 5906 at ave vel of 1024 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 14.8”, RD = 0.59”, RL = 0.43”, RW = 147.8 gr
    4LD: Pen = 18.3”, RD = 0.58”, RL = 0.51”, RW = 147.7 gr

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    Have you done any standard pressure 124gr. HST (P9HST1) testing?
    I really like the way that load shoots and feels in my Kahr PM9.
    The +P's can be a handful in the little Kahr, but the standard pressure 124's are very controllable.

    Another load that doesn't get much press is the Federal 135gr. +P Tactical Bonded LE9T5, at one of the Corbon sponsored "jello shoots" it was a great performer out of my Glock 17.
    My P30 nightstand gun is loaded with the LE9T5 right now.

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    The Federal 135 gr +P Tactical works very well--it is one of the best 9 mm loads available.

    9mm Fed 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5) from 4" S&W 5906 at ave vel of 1069 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 16.0", RD = 0.58", RL = 0.36", RW = 126.6 gr
    4LD: Pen = 16.3", RD = 0.55", RL = 0.45", RW = 134.0 gr

    ATK's own data is available here, including info on the 124 gr standard pressure HST:
    http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf
    http://le.atk.com/pdf/HSTInsertPoster.pdf

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    Wish this stuff wasn't so darned hard for us non-LEO's to find.

    I'm happy with Ranger-T 147gr for now, but i'd love to be able to get a case or two of the HST and not worry if I'll ever be able to find it again/soon.

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