Done. Sorry if I contributed to the thread drift...Originally Posted by nyeti
Done. Sorry if I contributed to the thread drift...
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No. This I s still a very much active investigation. We are learning stuff daily and even initial information has changed. At some point a solid LE training AAR will be done as there is a ton of very good learning lessons in this case, but it will likely be a LE only document.
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Well done! I have nothing more to add except my Forsyth County Sheriff's Dept seem like the types that would study this for lessons.
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Are there any numbers on how often body armor is actually used in crimes? The media is going to see anything vaguely vest-like and assume it's body armor. It rarely is, but it seems as if James Holmes did have actual armor, and I'm sure there are other examples.
Also, thoughts on immediately transitioning to the head if you observe something that's potentially armor, versus shooting a failure drill? I've seen knowledgeable people suggest (my rough synopsis) to always shoot the body first, because it's faster and takes away their stable platform to shoot you at you.
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Some media photos. We see what looks like actual body armor, not LBV. And that sure looks like a KelTec sub 2k to me.
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On the other hand, it may not be anything like the NIJ IIIa armor most of us picture when we hear "body armor." Those panels could easily be something from a stab vest, or a el cheapo surplus flak vest, and may have had effectively no ballistic protection. Hard to say just from photos.
Edit: Sorry if that's thread drifty. I suppose this just goes to show the importance of making good hits, fast enough to win.
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The shooters are from Phoenix. I know the area they shared an apartment together and the type of financial problems they had. They probably didn't have a whole lot of resources for weapons and armor. So Kel-tecs and surplus or sportsman guide vests seem reasonable .
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Again, evidence out of context is useless from any kind of training value for law enforcement. What is the training value for law enforcement of the financial status of of the terrorists? Do any of you know the context of the Kel tec, and how it factored into the incident?
How about we start a total speculation about Garland thread in the Romper Room and it can be discussed with everyone's feelings about it.
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"If I had a grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton".
