BUG Guns for IDPA competition

[LostDuke]

I shot matches including the first BUG Nationals with a PPS and found it absolutely adequate, but if this becomes something of a regular kind of thing for me I'd strongly consider a P99c or a G26 for gaming purposes. My PPS is my warmer months CCW so I felt good about shootin it at a big match but I didn't have anything else on the table to choose from.

[cclaxton]

I stopped by Sharpshooters last night to try out a few of these guns. My personal thoughts:
Glock 26 Gen4, better than Gen3, but trigger is still too heavy for my taste. Might be improved with a new disconnector. Grip is too short for me.
S&W Shield, I like the grip better, and the trigger better, but still heavy for my taste and the reset is too much for me.
XDS, like the grip, like the trigger better than S&W or Glock. But trigger still too heavy for my taste.
Walther CCP (not on the list...darn..another one I missed), I like this grip the best, I like the button mag release, I like the trigger break, but the pull and reset are really long.

When I have time I will continue to look are more on this list.
I own a Bersa Thunder CC, and I really like the trigger on this gun. I like the grip, but it needs to be thicker for my hands...maybe new grips. This gun is not going to be a good gun for IDPA BUG since it is not built to last thousands of rounds.

I own the Kimber CDP Ultra II and I love the trigger and grip. I don't shoot that well with it.
I own the CZ RAMI in Alloy and I love the trigger and grip, and I shoot well with it.

Cody

[JV_]

Glock 26 Gen4, better than Gen3, but trigger is still too heavy for my taste. Might be improved with a new disconnector.

connector, not disconnector.

S&W Shield, I like the grip better, and the trigger better, but still heavy for my taste and the reset is too much for me.

The reset is too forceful?

[freeidaho]

No matter where you draw the line on the size/weight of a BUG gun, there will be at least ten prevailing opinions on why it should be lower or higher or the same. The Glock 26, being one of the most popular BUG guns, is 3.42" barrel and about 25oz. That is not far from the 3.6" and 29oz limit set by IDPA. Imagine the controversy if IDPA had chosen 3.0" and 23oz as the limit...people would have cried about it excluding the Glock 26.

If IDPA had set it for 3.5" and 22oz, cries of trying to protect S&W over Glock would have been heard. If it had been set at 3.1" and 16oz, cries that it excluded the SPringfield XDS would have been heard, etc., etc.

The definition of a BUG gun has changed over time as the technology has improved, and that is a challenge. Also, who is carrying the BUG seems to make a big difference. My own experience with LE guys who shoot IDPA is they like larger, heavier BUG guns, and CCW guys tend towards the mouse guns like the Sig P238 or LCP or Bodyguard. Get two of your buddies and ask about BUG gun recommendations and you will get four opinions.

By setting the bar low it enables people to compete in their BUG gun of choice. If I could have set it, I would have set the limit at 3.1" barrel and 20oz (Sorry G26 guys), mainly because people tend towards lighter weight guns. But that is just one man's opinion...
Cody

Bravo ! ! !

[armed]

Hi... new to the forum and a little late for this thread. Having said that, I am keen to undestand if anyone knows the reason why IDPA felt the need to drop the max barrel lenght on BUG to 3.6"?
Not living in America, access to firearms where i live is heavily regulated. Many people have what i consider perfectly acceptable BUG guns that they had been using like the CZ83 or Beretta 84 which now are not compliant due to 0.2" barrel difference.
This is what hey could get (myself included, a beretta 84), had been using but now no more.
Unfortunately, can't just go out and get a replacement - no 2nd amendment where we are.
Any idea why the need to change?
tx

[MGW]

My guess is to make room for CCP.

[YVK]

That is not far from the 3.6" and 29oz limit set by IDPA.

These numbers always remind me that only 0.06 inch of barrel length formally disqualifies an official sidearm of one of the largest LE agencies from IDPA BUG division.

[armed]

I guess you have a point. By dropping barrel length requirements for BUG to 3.6 inches, it created more room for CCP. Still a pity thought that perfectly usable firearms are now not legal for BUG.
Hopefully someone from IDPA HQ reads this and takes pity on us and will reconsider .... we live in hope
tx

[Pistol Pete 10]

Last Bug match I used a 2-1/2" model 19.

[Jubal]

1998 Sig P239 9 MM with 8 round magazine weighs 783 grams or 28 ounces and should be BUG legal.
6.6" L, 5.1" H, 1.2" W, 3.6" barrel