Walther PPK/S, 380, 3.3", 24oz, DA/SA
Sig P250 380ACP, 3.6", DAO, 19.4oz
Sig P232, 3.6", DAO, 23.6oz.
Hi-Point 380ACP, 3.5", DAO, 29oz.
Cobra Freedom FS380, 3.5", 24oz. DAO
Bersa Thunder 380, 3.5", 20oz, DA/SA
Bersa 380CC, 3.3", 16.4oz, DA/SA
Glock 42, 380ACP, 3.26", 13.8oz
S&W M&P Shield, 9mm, 3.1", 19oz. DAO
Kahr K9, 9mm, 3.47", 25oz, DAO
Kahr CW9, 9mm, 3.6", 16oz, DAO
HK USP 9C, 9mm, 3.6", 26oz, DA/SA, DAO
Sig P250SC9B, 9mm, 3.6", 25oz, DAO
Sig 320SC-9, 3.6", 25oz, DAO
Springfield XDS, 9mm, 3.3", 23oz. Striker, DAO
Springfield EMP, 9mm, 3.0", 27oz, SAO
Kimber CDP II Ultra, 9mm, 3.0", 25oz, SAO
Beretta Nano, 9mm, 3", 19.5oz, DAO
STI Lawman, 9mm, 3.24", 25oz, SAO
CZ 2075 RAMI, 9mm, 3.0", 25oz, DA/SA
Glock 26, 9mm, 3.42", 23.5oz, DAO
Other
Dan Wesson ECO, 9mm, 3.5", 25oz
Walther P99C, 9mm, 3.5", 21oz
Walther PPS, 9mm, 3.2", 21oz
S&W M&P Compact, 3.5", DAO, 21.7oz.
USP C 9 and 40 are similar size, but the USP C 45 is bigger. I have a USP C 40 with an extra .357 Sig barrel, light LEM, and HD sights. Great gun, but not my first choice for gun games. Triggers have shorter reset than the P2000 and P30.Originally Posted by cclaxton
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
If the USPc really is legit for IDPA BUG, it will become the gun of choice for this division no doubt. It's going to be far easier to shoot quickly than a Glock 19 or even the M&P9c, as it is basically just about as big as the box will allow (just like the G34 is the gun of choice for ESP/SSP).
I measured my FM Detective today using our club's IDPA box and it's bug legal so I'll be using that.
I think this is all very bizarre. I don't understand the logic that goes into these gun games. A BUG division is created so that people can get some time in on their BUGs.....but no one will actually shoot what, in real life, qualifies as a BUG because they'll be shooting their bigger carry gun as the division allows it (USPc, G26, M&P Compact, ect).
Why not rename it the carry gun division, and actually make the BUG division a place where people will shoot actual BUGs?
"Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."- Last words of Todd Beamer
I agree that the name doesn't seem to match the rules very well. The 30 oz weight thing seems especially silly to me, given that a G17, inarguably a full size gun, weighs in at ~25 oz. Of course, in any game, you can expect people to find the position of maximum advantage and use it in order to win, because it's a game.
I think you may have meant the Glock 26 for BUG division as the Glock 19 is too large. The G19 is legal for the new CCP division, as well as SSP and ESP.
AD (now that I think about it, the G26 is also good for CCP, SSP and ESP)
Yes, meant the G26. Thanks for catching my mistake.
Wasn't ALL of IDPA supposed to be the carry gun division? :P
No matter where you draw the line on the size/weight of a BUG gun, there will be at least ten prevailing opinions on why it should be lower or higher or the same. The Glock 26, being one of the most popular BUG guns, is 3.42" barrel and about 25oz. That is not far from the 3.6" and 29oz limit set by IDPA. Imagine the controversy if IDPA had chosen 3.0" and 23oz as the limit...people would have cried about it excluding the Glock 26.
If IDPA had set it for 3.5" and 22oz, cries of trying to protect S&W over Glock would have been heard. If it had been set at 3.1" and 16oz, cries that it excluded the SPringfield XDS would have been heard, etc., etc.
The definition of a BUG gun has changed over time as the technology has improved, and that is a challenge. Also, who is carrying the BUG seems to make a big difference. My own experience with LE guys who shoot IDPA is they like larger, heavier BUG guns, and CCW guys tend towards the mouse guns like the Sig P238 or LCP or Bodyguard. Get two of your buddies and ask about BUG gun recommendations and you will get four opinions.
By setting the bar low it enables people to compete in their BUG gun of choice. If I could have set it, I would have set the limit at 3.1" barrel and 20oz (Sorry G26 guys), mainly because people tend towards lighter weight guns. But that is just one man's opinion...
Cody
That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
It should be air weight J frames only, minimum power factor 165 or higher :P
My hand hurts just reading thst.
Cody
That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
