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  • Walther PPK/S, 380, 3.3", 24oz, DA/SA

    2 2.35%
  • Sig P250 380ACP, 3.6", DAO, 19.4oz

    0 0%
  • Sig P232, 3.6", DAO, 23.6oz.

    3 3.53%
  • Hi-Point 380ACP, 3.5", DAO, 29oz.

    1 1.18%
  • Cobra Freedom FS380, 3.5", 24oz. DAO

    1 1.18%
  • Bersa Thunder 380, 3.5", 20oz, DA/SA

    0 0%
  • Bersa 380CC, 3.3", 16.4oz, DA/SA

    0 0%
  • Glock 42, 380ACP, 3.26", 13.8oz

    6 7.06%
  • S&W M&P Shield, 9mm, 3.1", 19oz. DAO

    23 27.06%
  • Kahr K9, 9mm, 3.47", 25oz, DAO

    4 4.71%
  • Kahr CW9, 9mm, 3.6", 16oz, DAO

    3 3.53%
  • HK USP 9C, 9mm, 3.6", 26oz, DA/SA, DAO

    9 10.59%
  • Sig P250SC9B, 9mm, 3.6", 25oz, DAO

    2 2.35%
  • Sig 320SC-9, 3.6", 25oz, DAO

    8 9.41%
  • Springfield XDS, 9mm, 3.3", 23oz. Striker, DAO

    3 3.53%
  • Springfield EMP, 9mm, 3.0", 27oz, SAO

    8 9.41%
  • Kimber CDP II Ultra, 9mm, 3.0", 25oz, SAO

    5 5.88%
  • Beretta Nano, 9mm, 3", 19.5oz, DAO

    2 2.35%
  • STI Lawman, 9mm, 3.24", 25oz, SAO

    9 10.59%
  • CZ 2075 RAMI, 9mm, 3.0", 25oz, DA/SA

    5 5.88%
  • Glock 26, 9mm, 3.42", 23.5oz, DAO

    36 42.35%
  • Other

    9 10.59%
  • Dan Wesson ECO, 9mm, 3.5", 25oz

    11 12.94%
  • Walther P99C, 9mm, 3.5", 21oz

    4 4.71%
  • Walther PPS, 9mm, 3.2", 21oz

    10 11.76%
  • S&W M&P Compact, 3.5", DAO, 21.7oz.

    15 17.65%
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Thread: BUG Guns for IDPA competition

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    BUG Guns for IDPA competition

    I have been searching out the ideal semi-auto BUG gun for IDPA. Here is my list. Figured it would make a good poll as well. Remember, I am not asking what is the best BUG gun, but what is best for IDPA, so I assume maximum barrel length and heaviest weight are advantages. I decided to exclude any guns under 3.0" barrel length and any guns that weigh less than 13oz.

    Requirements:
    <=3.6" barrel
    <= 29 ounces with empty mag
    8.2.6.6.1 Handguns permitted for use in BUG-S must:
    8.2.6.6.1.1 Be semi-automatic.
    8.2.6.6.1.2 Be single action, double action, double action only, or striker fired.
    8.2.6.6.1.3 Use .380 ACP or larger cartridges.
    8.2.6.6.1.4 Barrel length of 3.60” (91.4 mm) or less.
    8.2.6.6.1.5 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 29.00 oz. (822.1 grams) or less.
    8.2.6.6.1.6 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 7 ¼” x 5 ½” x 1 ⅜” (184.2 mm x 139.7 mm x 34.9 mm.)
    8.2.6.6.1.7 Magazine length (tubes plus base pad) that extend no more than 1.0” (25.4 mm) beyond the bottom of the grip.
    8.2.6.6.2 Start Condition:
    8.2.6.6.2.1 Single action only firearms will start cocked and locked. (hammer cocked, safety engaged).
    8.2.6.6.2.2 Selective DA/SA firearms will start cocked and locked or decocked at the shooter’s discretion.
    8.2.6.6.2.3 When decocking is desired, firearms with a decocking lever or button will be decocked using the lever or button.
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    8.2.6.6.2.4 When decocking is desired, if the hammer must be lowered by pulling the trigger and manually lowering the hammer, the hammer will be lowered to the lowest position possible.
    8.2.6.6.2.5 In BUG semi-auto the shooter will start with one round in the chamber and 5 rounds in the magazine, and 6 rounds in each additional magazine. Therefore I excluded any guns less than 3" barrel and less than 15oz.
    8.2.6.6.3 Semi-Automatic Modifications:
    Semi-automatic BUG must comply with all Enhanced Service Pistol (ESP) features and modifications, and equipment restrictions.

    These are the guns on based on my research:
    380ACP
    Walther PK380, DA/SA, 3.6", 19.5oz.
    Sig P250 380ACP, 3.6", DAO, 19.4oz
    Sig P232, 3.6", DAO, 23.6oz.
    Hi-Point 380ACP, 3.5", DAO, 29oz.
    Cobra Freedom FS380, 3.5", 24oz. DAO
    Bersa Thunder 380, 3.5", 20oz, DA/SA
    Walther PPK/S, 380, 3.3", 24oz, DA/SA
    Bersa 380CC, 3.3", 16.4oz, DA/SA
    Glock 42, 3.26", 13.8oz

    9mm
    S&W M&P Shield, 3.1", 19oz. DAO
    Kahr CW9, 3.6", 16oz, DAO
    HK USP 9C, 3.6", 26oz, DA/SA, DAO
    Sig P250SC9B, 3.6", 25oz, DAO
    Sig 320SC-9, 3.6", 25oz, DAO
    Springfield XDS, 3.3", 23oz. Striker, DAO
    Springfield EMP, 3.0", 27oz, SAO
    Kimber CDP II Ultra, 3.0", 25oz, SAO
    Kahr K9, 3.47", 25oz, DAO
    Beretta Nano, 3", 19.5oz, DAO
    STI Lawman, 3.24", 25oz, SAO
    CZ 2075 RAMI, 3.0", 25oz, DA/SA
    Glock 26, 3.42", 23.5oz, DAO

    Doesn't meet requirements:
    EAA Witness Pavona, 380ACP, 30oz, too heavy.
    Beretta PICO, 380, 2.7", 11.5oz
    S&W Bodyguard, 2.75", 12oz.,
    Ruger LCP, 2.7", 9.4oz
    Colt Mustang 380, 12.5oz
    Kimber Micro Carry, 13.5oz
    North American Arms Guardian 380, 2.49" 18.8oz
    Sig P290RS, 2.9", 16.4oz
    Beretta Cheetah 84FS, 3.8" barrel
    Sig P250, 3.9" barrel
    Sig P239, 29.5oz
    Sig P238HD, 2.7", 20oz, SAO
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    There will likely be more Glock 26s and S&W Shields in BUG than any others, but the STI Lawman will be the gun to beat. I've got a Kimber Ultra that would be a great BUG if it were in 9mm. I'll just use a Glock 26. I carry a 27, so it just seems right.
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    I forgot to include the Dan Wesson ECO. I think I see one vote for that.
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    The power factor floor for BUG division is 95. In a .380 pistol, it's going to take a relatively hot load to make this power factor. I suspect only very few factory FMJ ammo brands will get there. Not likely an issue for club matches though. It will be interesting to see what guns dominate the BUG national match given the new rules. Glock 26s and small 1911s in 9mm are my bet.
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    There is quite a bit of controversy about the 95PF number. I suspect this will change so that factory ammo will be allowed. It's also possible to download 9mm if you could get the gun to cycle. A friend of mine thinks the Khar's would cycle with a lower load. Good grip will be required.
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    The Walther P99c and PPS would both fit in the box.

    P99c: 3.5", ~20 ounces, DA/SA
    PPS: 3.3", ~20 ounces, Striker-fired DAO
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    So what about the M&P 9 Compact

    3.5 barrel
    21.7 oz

    Was it an oversight or is there a reason the M&P was omitted?

    My buddy is the guy who shot the BUG category at NRA IDPA classifier this week, and we have been taking about this topic all week. I am very interested in keeping up with this thread.

    I will be bringing my Beretta Nano out with me to the next IDPA event, not looking forward to that short sight radius.
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    Any guns that would fit into the BUG category based on the requirements I listed and didn't make it on the list is an oversight.
    However, any guns with barrels under 3.0" I consider "mouse guns" and not a serious IDPA sport gun for BUG.
    I have asked the Admin's to add them to the poll. I don't know if they will be able to.
    Thanks for bringing it up.
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    Oh, also, on the subject of Walthers, the PK380 in your list actually has a 3.66" barrel. Would the extra 0.06" disqualify it?
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    I'm new to IDPA so take this for what it is. I would think that a Glock 26 would be difficult to beat from a pure game perspective. I shot my first classifier last month and decided to use my Gen 4 26. I ended up shooting a 140. I was pretty happy with that time. I had 5 indoor and 1 outdoor match under my belt and it was the first time to shoot the 26 for time.

    As a side note another guy in my group shot an XDs. He shoots all the time, lots of three gun and IDPA, and struggled with the XDS a little bit. Biggest issue was mag changes. In a match it would be a nonissue though.

    For me the 26 is just a lot easier to shoot fast than a Shield. It really shows up on shots with tighter windows. I had planned on shooting my first full match with it tomorrow, not a BUG match, but looks like it'll be rained out.

    I think a small 1911 style pistol might work okay.
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