Taking a Foreign National to the Range?

[Peally]

Good question. Not one I'd really worry about for a one-off trip to the range though (sounds like it's as enforced and plausible as 922r).

Could depend on the range though, people are quite often a-holes. The ranges I go to are effectively private with the amount of traffic they see when I shoot.

[Jeep]

The range I shoot at constantly has foreign citizens shooting there and freely rents them guns.

[YVK]

Permanent non-residents can purchase firearms,

I am not sure I understand what permanent non-resident is.

[LostDuke]

I am not sure I understand what permanent non-resident is.

That is an oxymoron due to a mistake, he meant permanent non citizens.

Personally I have brought foreign tourists to shoot under the assumption that I was living in a free country, now you got me worried.

[ragnar_d]

I've had the same question recently (wife has some friends coming in from Canada this summer who want to go shooting) and would love to get a solid answer to the permit/no-permit question so it can get sorted before they come in town.

Personally I have brought foreign tourists to shoot under the assumption that I was living in a free country, now you got me worried.

Took the thought right out of my head. Anymore, it feels like the more I work to get solid answers on stuff like this (especially when it comes to ATF/ITAR/etc.), the more confused I walk away from it.

[Shellback]

I would be surprised if there's (enforced) laws against it. Too many tourists from out of country going to Vegas and enjoying those machine gun shoots for it to make sense.

I have taken several international friends to go shoot with foreign passports, no issues.

[JAD]

In a strict sense providing technical information about stuff covered in the mil list to a citizen of another country is a deemed export.

I cannot imagine a scenario where one would be prosecuted outside of a commercial training operation, and I take furriners to the range all the time.

[RoyGBiv]

I am not sure I understand what permanent non-resident is.

My understanding....
"Resident" alien.... Any non-citizen holding a visa to stay here, live and hold a job.
"Non-resident" alien... A non-citizen here on a short-term-temporary or tourist visa. Generally not able to seek employment, although may be here for short term employment reasons (receive training, etc.)

I'm not familiar with the term permanent non-resident, specifically...

My rule of thumb...
If they are not allowed to seek employment in US, they need to get a hunting license before they can "possess" a firearm or ammunition.

Again.. my opinion. Not legal advice.

[T.Stahl]

This thread went pretty fast from "Is it ok to take my friends - that are visiting me from abroad - to the range and let them shoot my guns?" to "I don't think it's ok for foreigners to acquire/buy guns."

[Surf]

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. I suggest seeking out legal advice from a the DOJ or an attorney.

Having said that, I have some dealings in this area, albeit limited. In the past I have been involved in companies that did actual training that needed appropriate ITAR clearances and I do submit End User certificates to get clearance for USML items. I am also registered and hold a current DOJ "contractor" affiliation for sponsoring agency / Dept being the US Army. I mention this as my background would be far more scrutinized than someone with no background who is simply teaching his foreign friend here on vacation how to shoot. I will also add that in my location there are licensed "shooting galleries", different classification than a training company or shooting range, in my location who cater to foreign nationals legally.

There are sections of ITAR that have provisions for "providing training" but that training could be scrutinized if it falls along the lines of TTP's formal or informal in the tactical deployment and not just basic operation of a defense article or training. A weapon could fall under defense article. Again I would be more worried about context. Teaching a foreign national buddy how to shoot would probably looked at much differently than engaging in tactical deployment of that weapon for security or other means. Also as mentioned certain individuals with certain training, certifications or backgrounds would more than likely be scrutinized more so.

Since I do train LE and Military personnel and have trained foreign personnel under ITAR submission, I keep my own private business to non-foreign individuals just to avoid any ITAR related issues. Here is an excerpt from my site.

In order to maintain compliance with U.S. legal requirements, to include International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) Regulations, the Specialized Services Group, LLC only accepts U.S. citizens and U.S. legal permanent residents for participation in any training courses. Proper identification must be shown prior to course participation.
US Passport
Permanent Resident Card or Naturalization Certificate + US Driver’s License or ID Card
US Driver’s License or ID card + Active Duty Military status printout from Defense Manpower
Other documentation establishing Reserve, Active, or retired US Military status + US driver’s license or ID card
US driver’s license or ID card + valid Law Enforcement credentials.
US drivers license or ID card + Birth Certificate

Besides the above you must of course meet certain US legal requirements that may be down to the state or local level. For those interested I might suggest research into ITAR laws itself in particular ITAR section §120 and more closely §120.9.