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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPAKevin View Post
    FWIW, one can be improvised using a small flat screwdriver. The cheap ones like they used to give out at auto parts sores are great if you want to bend the neck. I have seen some where guys notch the tip so it is like the one you buy or you can put a nipple on the end like the guy in the video linked below:
    https://youtu.be/A0nUJePqV_U
    If you have a driver that takes replaceable bits, you can just buy the $4 bit for the rebound tool.

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/199...d-slide-spring

    Ballpoint pen is great for reinstalling, though.

    Any particular tools beyond the normal gun hand tools you would used, or wish you had?
    http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...o-prod406.aspx

    I don't care if you have a 100 bit set. Don't count on having the snowflake bits S&W uses. $8 is cheap insurance.

    The bit for the yoke screw is an oddball. One review notes that it doesn't fit the screw on their 625. Mine are all sloppier than I'd like That review says a 180-4 bit solved their problem. I tried one and it was too thick. YMMV.

    I should note that if you're buying the newer yoke screw assembly with the spring loaded plunger they are the same for everything but J-frames. The older fit screws are, IIRC, not. So I would expect some variation in slot thickness, even for the new design.

    Other than correct bits and the rebound widget, nothing springs to mind in terms of tools for what you're doing.

    I would not expect any mainspring to necessarily drop in and still be 100% reliable with all primers. I have *two* 686s, one made in 1999 at the beginning of the MIM revolution and one made in 2014 that will either not work with Wolff "factory" strength mainsprings (yes, Type 1) due to light strikes (yes, with both types of new round butt strain screws) or due to the rebound hitting the mainspring when actuating the trigger. I have tried numerous generations of the Wolff Type 1 spring, including the old plain black springs, the newer grey coated springs, and a 2015 manufactured black (again) spring. All exhibited some sort of problem with both new, unmodified strain screws.

    In a fit of irony I guess, the factory supplied Wolff Type 2 ("competition only") spring that came in my 627 will set off seemingly anything, including S&B eurocaps.

    While these problems aren't insurmountable (advice on benos is to use #8-32 machine/set screws for extra preload; I never got around to trying) if you don't go into this endeavor expecting everything to just drop in you're less likely to be disappointed. Revolvers, like 1911s, are pretty pretty snowflakes when it comes to fitting parts. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't.

    If you change out the mainspring for anything other than the factory, OEM, oversprung heavy black unit, test it thoroughly with carry ammo. Personally, I'd test it with CCI Magnum primers at the softest. I'd round up some eurocaps if I were the belt and suspenders type.

    YMMV.
    Last edited by jh9; 03-25-2015 at 03:16 PM.

  2. #22
    Magnum primers aren't an issue with 9mm, and I think the gun is a little big for concealed carry being that it is almost the length of my forearm.

    Anyways at worst case, I call up Randy or Scott at Apex and tell them they have a gun heading their way, or bug Cliff Walsh next time I see him at WAC.

    I think by the time this is all said and done I think I will be spending the gun's cost in stuff to get it ready for competition.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by PPGMD View Post
    Magnum primers aren't an issue with 9mm,
    The first 686 I mentioned wasn't even reliable with Winchester primers. The "standard strength" wolff mainspring was a Federal-only affair.

    and I think the gun is a little big for concealed carry being that it is almost the length of my forearm.
    Ha. Yeah. The 929 part slipped my mind about halfway through writing that.

    Anyways at worst case, I call up Randy or Scott at Apex and tell them they have a gun heading their way, or bug Cliff Walsh next time I see him at WAC.

    I think by the time this is all said and done I think I will be spending the gun's cost in stuff to get it ready for competition.
    If you don't mind the Federal primers only thing I doubt you'll have a hard time with any of the drop-in kits. But if you use anything other than Federals it's a crap shoot as to whether or not the gun will light them off reliably. YMMV.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by jh9 View Post

    If you change out the mainspring for anything other than the factory, OEM, oversprung heavy black unit, test it thoroughly with carry ammo. Personally, I'd test it with CCI Magnum primers at the softest. I'd round up some eurocaps if I were the belt and suspenders type.

    YMMV.
    This is excellent advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jh9 View Post
    If you have a driver that takes replaceable bits, you can just buy the $4 bit for the rebound tool.
    Right tool for the job... I know. But when the UPS man delivers a box full of wonderful stuff, and I am at work where we have a shop full of fabricating tools, sometimes the MacGyver in me just wins out.
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by NEPAKevin View Post
    Right tool for the job... I know. But when the UPS man delivers a box full of wonderful stuff, and I am at work where we have a shop full of fabricating tools, sometimes the MacGyver in me just wins out.
    If this involves bubble gum or paperclips you're obligated to post pics

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    Just finished changing the power rib, rebound spring, and cylinder release. It was much easier than I thought it would be. I spent more time juggling bits than anything else.

    I have some new grips coming hopefully by the end of the week. And then I just have to figure out the sights.

    I am not sure which size roll pin punch to use, as the 1/16" looks a little big and that is the smallest size Brownells sells. And I'm not sure how I am going to drill out the new sight.

    The rear sight is a little tricky too. I talked to Bowen, and they said they will have a 929 rear sight soonish. And they might be able to cut it to my preferred depth (I like rear sights with at least .120" notch depth).

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by PPGMD View Post
    I have some new grips coming hopefully by the end of the week. And then I just have to figure out the sights.

    I am not sure which size roll pin punch to use, as the 1/16" looks a little big and that is the smallest size Brownells sells. And I'm not sure how I am going to drill out the new sight.x
    .05"

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    Did the 9mm revolvers drop off the S&W website?

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