Knife assault

[Cecil Burch]

So what is an appropriate COA here? Whizzer the knife arm and start with eye gouges? I can't tell if there is an escape route except through the door.

The problem with that is it is really hard to stop the knife motion with a whizzer. Once you overwrap, you cannot pin his arm so tightly that he is unable to articulate his lower arm and wrist. Generally, the attacker has the ability to keep pumping that knife into your body. And now, depending on how you do the whizzer, he may now have a direct pipeline with the blade into your kidneys. Or worse, do the insert and pull technique.

Also, he still has his other hand free to block/intercept your eye gouges. He is not going to just let you do that and will most likely use his hand offensively as well. Perhaps even try to eye gouge the good guy.

There is no one perfect answer to what to do, contrary to the typical martial artist or combatives instructor's advice. There are a couple of decent strategies to try, but they must be worked in a FoF/sparring situation under heavy pressure to find out what is going to be the best bet in the moment.

[Chance]

I've seen a lot of knife material sold over the years in which students do not get this kind of pressure, and therefore believe that their technique which works at 25% speed will also work at 100% speed.

Great video, and this is a point a lot of "martial artists" never have sink in completely. There's so much utter BS out there that looks really cool in slow motion, but just flat won't work full blast.

[SouthNarc]

So what is an appropriate COA here? Whizzer the knife arm and start with eye gouges? I can't tell if there is an escape route except through the door.

I like and teach a 2 on 1 into one of four options:

escape
effective striking
weapons access
pinning

I teach two different two-on-ones: the split seatbelt and the baseball bat both of which can be seen around 1:34 in this vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT5stC-SBF0

The 2 on 1 plus dominant position is what gives one the ability to pull all four options.

[Chuck Haggard]

Craig, is that bit from ECQC or EWO?

[SouthNarc]

Both are EWO classes, one in Portland and one in Sacramento.

I don't cover any knife defense or use in ECQC but I do let guys plug their trainers into the evolutions in ECQC.

[Chuck Haggard]

Both are EWO classes, one in Portland and one in Sacramento.

I don't cover any knife defense or use in ECQC but I do let guys plug their trainers into the evolutions in ECQC.

I thought that was the case.

I needs me some training.

[SouthNarc]

I thought that was the case.

I needs me some training.

Dude you've had an open invite for a while...

[Chuck Haggard]

Dude you've had an open invite for a while...

I know!


Hoping that PA class of mine is a go. Thinking about trying to get to that EWO class Spencer posted, and this video just emphasizes to me that I haven't done any knife work since Mike Inay passed away, but I have to see an ortho ref my right knee next week, I suspect I'm going to have to get some work done.

[Cecil Burch]

I needs me some training.

We will be doing some grounded knife work in MO in May..............

[Chance]

Link isn't working anymore, at least for me. Anyone have another reference?