Kind of amazing that the only people who have not gotten the message are Big Army...
Kind of amazing that the only people who have not gotten the message are Big Army...
Facts matter...Feelings Can Lie
As Chuck Haggard put it:
"The truth is, on average, they all work about the same, and they all work as well as can be expected with pistols.
If our job as trainers is to get the troops hitting the A zone under stress, then we need to have a systems approach to our program and make sure the troops can do that."
9mm is cheaper and has a lower recoil impulse and so many shooters find it easier to get back on target quicker when delivering rapid multi-shot applications. So switching back to 9mm makes sense for many individual shooters and many agencies.
Big Army = "echelons beyond reality."Originally Posted by DocGKR
The same people who will be pissing & moaning about increased recoil if the .40 S&W is adopted by the Army.
Precisely. The same organization that replaced auto with the 3 round burst because soldiers were wasting ammo in combat. They replace small arms parts at failure rather than do preventative maintenance. They are all about "fixing" training problems with technology/equipment. Sadly they fail to see they only make things worse when they do that.
Does anyone have credible info that the .40 is truly in play in the MHS or is this assumption based on some of the Army publicized language around "increased lethality" or some such?
I took that with a grain of salt which in big-org parlance could mean anything from a different caliber, change in loads (ie a lighter higher velocity slug) to a FMJ-FP 9mm slug for all that's worth. It doesn't have to be "real" in the world of what we consider real.
“Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais
JHC--Yes, there is gross incompetence going on.
Facts matter...Feelings Can Lie
We have THAT going for us.
Thanks!
“Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais
Honest question: isn't the 9mm only acceptable when loaded with modern hollow points? I'm a fan of your posts and I've read every sticky, but it seems to me that of all calibers the 9mm relies the most heavily on bullet technology. Take that away and it has issues. Of course so does every other FMJ. Still, a 9mm FMJ has a surface area of .096 sq in, a .40 cal has .127 sq in, and a .45 is .159 in sq. That seems like a pretty big difference. Is that insignificant when the other factors are taken into account? Thanks.
Fairly insignificant between FMJ's. If stuck with FMJ, then a .45 Auto makes the most sense in many respects. However, based on recent Law of Landwarfare decisions, as well as the fact the U.S. did not sign or ratify the Hague protocol in question, the U.S. military is NOT stuck with FMJ's, thus the point is somewhat moot.
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