Pharmacist shoots and kills robber

[xmanhockey7]

Decedent's pistol:

Looks like a good reason to carry a BUG. Granted your chances of this happening to the average joe are insanely unlikely, but still food for thought.

[JAD]

This is my main concern about people with CWPs.

do you mean 'other people with CWPs,' or do you not have one?

[Mr_White]

I don't think Hambo's concern is unfounded, but it doesn't prevail to me in considering the video and reported events.

A few things:

Looks to me like the pharmacist got himself to the correct side of the other employees. It looks like the open space through which the other employees could seek egress was to the right, and that is in fact where they did end up moving. It is quite correct to note that the employee closest to the robber could still have zigged left closer to the line of fire. I can't quite see from the video whether he was far enough forward of the pharmacist's gun that he might have stepped in front of it. I think the pharmacist would have done better to close distance another two feet and help prevent that employee from getting in front of his gun.

I agree with the view that there is a lot of 'could have happened here' in terms of a bad outcome involving the pharmacist's decision to take action, but also in terms of rolling the dice by waiting for other opportunities that may or may not have materialized, depending on the robber's actions.

The other thing that I think the pharmacist could have done to improve the safety and effectiveness of his response is to shoot the robber in the CNS and decisively stop him with less shots fired by all parties. Though I don't think the pharmacist looks very practiced as I can see he put his support hand thumb behind the slide. Looks like he got away with it for a couple of shots (yay, high bore axis! Just joking.) I also wonder if maybe he got bit by the slide when his support hand came off the gun? Or maybe it was something else. Hard to see.

I think he did well, and I think 'Who dares, wins' is a motto for a reason.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Now let's look at this from a tactical marksmanship angle:

The pharmacist makes his decision to engage and that's been discussed as to whether it was right, good, moral, etc. Not going to address that.

But...., we have some good luck here for our hero, because his shooting was not very good! Note a very poor thumbs over grip on the pistol. Note that he stomps on the trigger when he's shooting. That could produce huge misses, even at close range, that would endanger others in the location. Next, note that he doesn't follow through from shot to shot, but drops the gun and then comes up for re-engagement shots each time. Glad he won, just like I'm glad lots of other good guys win fights, but this shows several ways of how not to do the job.

[BaiHu]

*SNIP* Next, note that he doesn't follow through from shot to shot, but drops the gun and then comes up for re-engagement shots each time. Glad he won, just like I'm glad lots of other good guys win fights, but this shows several ways of how not to do the job.

Would you attribute that to limited time only punching paper with no training? I've seen a number of friends over the last few years, who have "shot all their lives", that consistently fire and then look over the barrel with no follow through. And yes, they too have had no formal training and shirk off any of my suggestions b/c "tactically they'd do X."

[Wayne Dobbs]

Would you attribute that to limited time only punching paper with no training? I've seen a number of friends over the last few years, who have "shot all their lives", that consistently fire and then look over the barrel with no follow through. And yes, they too have had no formal training and shirk off any of my suggestions b/c "tactically they'd do X."

That's exactly what I'd guess on this.

[Chuck Haggard]

What Wayne said.

In the same spot I think many of us would have dropped dude in his tracks with a CNS hit, thus negating the worry about him strafing the other employees (which is a valid concern IMHO).

Dude looked like Mr Armed Robbery In-Progress right from the get-go, note how few people picked up on that, including the customer who didn't react until well after shots were fired.

[BaiHu]

What Wayne said.

In the same spot I think many of us would have dropped dude in his tracks with a CNS hit, thus negating the worry about him strafing the other employees (which is a valid concern IMHO).

Dude looked like Mr Armed Robbery In-Progress right from the get-go, note how few people picked up on that, including the customer who didn't react until well after shots were fired.

That was my impression too, but I attributed it to I knew someone in that room was "that guy" given the type of video. Or I've just been learning from you guys. Probably a bit of both.

[KVDT]

Dude looked like Mr Armed Robbery In-Progress right from the get-go, note how few people picked up on that, including the customer who didn't react until well after shots were fired.

The weather had been below zero and real windy for a few days around that time. I can only assume people thought he was just dressed for the weather

[45dotACP]

That's exactly what I'd guess on this.

"Hell, I grew up around guns!"

The battle cry of the untrained....