Punching the gun out vs raising it up?

[breakingcontact]

Hey folks im still learning the ropes when it comes to proper techniques. I hear the phrase "punch the gun out" and I get that concept but I dont naturally bring my gun way up to my chest to go straight out. I seem to find a combination of punching it out AND raising the gun up to my sight line helps me settle the gun down more quickly using gravity instead of trying to muscle the gun. Advice please.

[Redhat]

Hey folks im still learning the ropes when it comes to proper techniques. I hear the phrase "punch the gun out" and I get that concept but I dont naturally bring my gun way up to my chest to go straight out. I seem to find a combination of punching it out AND raising the gun up to my sight line helps me settle the gun down more quickly using gravity instead of trying to muscle the gun. Advice please.

If you've already decided what works for you, I don't see what you are looking for advice on...?

[JAD]

There are a ton of threads that help address the topic you're thinking about. Essentially you're asking about the merits of the press-out versus the inverted J versus the direct draw. I'd suggest a search on that set of terms and a lot of reading, if you haven't done it already -- not to be presumptuous. There is good video of the various draws at http://youtu.be/pQqgdeGhsx8, and probably the best thread is http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.p...ut-Good-or-Bad.

[Wheeler]

Hey folks im still learning the ropes when it comes to proper techniques. I hear the phrase "punch the gun out" and I get that concept but I dont naturally bring my gun way up to my chest to go straight out. I seem to find a combination of punching it out AND raising the gun up to my sight line helps me settle the gun down more quickly using gravity instead of trying to muscle the gun. Advice please.

You've done this on a shot timer or does it feel faster?

[Ptrlcop]

I had a great response typed out and my PC nuked it...

I would be cautious about using what feels natural. The human body did not evolve for the purpose of shooting pistols and we do not slide out of the womb with an innate ability to use them effectively. I have often made significant gains by learning techniques that felt quite unnatural at the time.

Read this:http://pistol-training.com/archives/3899

And then this: http://pistol-training.com/archives/9323

Hopefully that answers some questions.

At different times I have used a pure press out and a pure direct line draw. Now, I fall somewhere in the middle with some bias towards the press out. Changing to an optic equipped pistol has changed some of my previous thoughts. I also think that there are other considerations beyond pure speed that should be accounted for when deciding on a draw.

[breakingcontact]

If you've already decided what works for you, I don't see what you are looking for advice on...?

Please read my post again if necessary.

There are a ton of threads that help address the topic you're thinking about. Essentially you're asking about the merits of the press-out versus the inverted J versus the direct draw. I'd suggest a search on that set of terms and a lot of reading, if you haven't done it already -- not to be presumptuous. There is good video of the various draws at http://youtu.be/pQqgdeGhsx8, and probably the best thread is http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.p...ut-Good-or-Bad.

Thanks, I was on mobile earlier and didn't search the forum. I'll check out the link and video.

You've done this on a shot timer or does it feel faster?

No, but I will soon. I have a shot timer and have found it to be invaluable in actually putting to numbers to things, so i know what you mean about how it "feels" versus what actually is.

I had a great response typed out and my PC nuked it...

I would be cautious about using what feels natural. The human body did not evolve for the purpose of shooting pistols and we do not slide out of the womb with an innate ability to use them effectively. I have often made significant gains by learning techniques that felt quite unnatural at the time.

Read this:http://pistol-training.com/archives/3899

And then this: http://pistol-training.com/archives/9323

Hopefully that answers some questions.

At different times I have used a pure press out and a pure direct line draw. Now, I fall somewhere in the middle with some bias towards the press out. Changing to an optic equipped pistol has changed some of my previous thoughts. I also think that there are other considerations beyond pure speed that should be accounted for when deciding on a draw.

Thanks I'll read the links you posted. Like I mentioned, I'm relatively new to all of this. In my local IDPA club I'd be in the lower end of the intermediate shooters. I haven't shot USPSA yet but plan on trying that soon too. I've found the pistol-training.com website really valuable and I plan on participating in this forum more.

I'm here to learn and I appreciate the input and advice.

If it helps, I shoot an M&P full size 9mm with Apex sear/USB and Warren Tactical front sight and Sevigny Competition Rear.