They should have one hour more formal training than you do. How many hours would that give them?Originally Posted by GardoneVT
They should have one hour more formal training than you do. How many hours would that give them?
Left your slide rule at home, did you?
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"When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword: Do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet."
-a Ch'an Buddhist axiom.
And the remaining .1%, and truthfully the many more who won't practice, should be carrying a revolver of some flavor anyway.
Last edited by Tom_Jones; 02-18-2015 at 02:02 PM. Reason: fixed quote
Getting to be a yawn and too personal. I suggest everyone who isn't a wielder of the flame of Arnor only be allow to carry a SW Model 10 with a bobbed hammer.
The crucial human factors variable is finger on the trigger. Everything said is an attempt to avoid the affordance accident of pulling the damn trigger when you shouldn't. DA/SA, Cocked at locked, heavier pulls on DA revolvers - all attempts to avoid that tendency to pull the damn trigger when you shouldn't. Look at the cop in NY who was charged for walking around in the dark with his finger on the trigger and shooting an incident. The Diallo case (assigned to prejudice) might have been finger on the trigger and a stumble backwards, leading to the first shot and the sympathetic shooting.
Figure out how to keep the finger off the trigger. Remember the gadget that fit into the Glock trigger guard and you had to push it out. It's similar to the plastic tap safety that is on the Kimber Pepper spray derringer like gadget.
Arguing for solutions that allow poor trigger discipline is not a good solution. C3 is just an attempt to argue that if the gun is good to go, someone will pull the trigger incorrectly.
Of course, there is the argument that a C3 draw leads to an ND as you charge the gun and shoot - as probably most training would have you do. Does that happen? NO idea of that rate in training.
I fully expected this story to end with, "and when he put the loaded gun away, he shot himself as he was not used to putting away loaded guns."
One of those really rare situations in which C3 finally measurably slows one down a few hundredth of a second, maybe. :-)
But what does Association Football Mother do when "it" is over? Will she really remove the magazine, empty the chamber, close the slide, decock, put the round back in the magazine and then the magazine back in the gun? Or will she put it loaded back in the not-a-holster purse? I'm worried.
Somebody should stab this zombie thread in the face before it eats our brains.
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Nope. He engaged the safety, put it in his pocket and drove home to report the incident. Without getting a plate number there was little the police could do. He thought he would be arrested for brandishing. His lack of firearm handling skills was only surpassed by his ignorance of what brandishing actually is.
Rare, yes, but I wholeheartedly disagree that it would've only taken a few hundredths of a second to chamber a round given the circumstances.One of those really rare situations in which C3 finally measurably slows one down a few hundredth of a second, maybe. :-)
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T. Stahl - I don't want to think, hence why I said I don't understand the choices that lead up to that decision.
I think this thread has been interesting - for the moment I think it is probably done and a fork can be put in it.
Myself and a few other NoVA/MD folks are going to try to get some data on C1/C3 stuff and maybe we can add once that is complete.
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I was just mocking the claim that "C3 is NOT measurabley slower on the draw than C1 regardless of ..."
We're planning an IPSC training day (as opposed to just a training evening) and maybe I can collect some data, too.
...and...
Buy a G19 with a decent holster and carry C1 = 42.
Last edited by T.Stahl; 02-18-2015 at 03:12 PM.
You missed her point entirely. Here drivers education is only mandatory if you wish to get your license before you're 18. In drivers education, they teach students to obey all traffic laws, check their mirrors periodically, how to parallel park etc. What do some under 18 year old kids do when they get their drivers license? Speed, text their friends, and do burn outs in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot. Despite all that training. In places where drivers education isn't mandated, I would bet the number of kids who do all of the above is the roughly the same as in places where it is mandatory.
Her point was there are states where no firearm training is required to get a cc permit, and states where there is a training requirement. Guess what Gardone, the number of people doing stupid things with guns is probably roughly the same. Do you really think a Saturday CCW class would have stopped Chipolte guy from putting his hot gat in his backpack without the trigger being covered by a holster? How do you know from reading that article that he hadn't received any training and just chose to ignore it? Do you really think C3 is the answer for all these "less experienced" people? Who do we mandate as being less experienced? People who've never attended a training class? People who shoot less than 5000 rounds a year? 1000 rounds? How bout 100? People who break the 180 in a shooting range and don't understand that it's unsafe? People who carry without a proper holster? People who buy a gun just because their favorite movie or tv show featured it? People who can't clean a Bill Drill in 2 seconds? People who've never heard of Jeff Cooper?
