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Thread: New ATF guidance on SB15 braces.

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    New ATF guidance on SB15 braces.

    Saw this posted over at calguns, thought I'd propagate the knowledge here:

    "open_letter_on_the_redesign_of_stabilizing_braces "

    http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fil...ing_braces.pdf

    The core info:

    The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock,
    and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor
    has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary
    to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked.

    -- Michael

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    I want to be mad at the ATF for this. But I can't. I'm mad at the idiots who wrote all those "mother may I" letters about putting SB15s on Glocks and shotguns that clearly intended to end-run the NFA.

    More thoughts here.

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    Well that sucks.

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    Am I also redesigning a Vltor if I put it on an AR pistol but only to balance it for SHO shooting? (Hat tip Mark )
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    I'm still surprised this was approved in the first place.

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    Well, they haven't killed it. If you possess it and use it as an arm brace, you're fine. Meaning, if the local 5-0 catch you in possession of a sig-brace attached pistol but without a tax stamp, you aren't automatically going to face criminal charges for possessing an SBR. They're going to have to prove that you "remade" or "redesigned" the brace as a stock.

    Meaning - not that I'm anyone's lawyer or anything - that maybe people should exercise discretion about taking and posting pictures of themselves shooting their "pistols" from their shoulders.

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    Thank all the dumbasses on YouTube and to all that sent in letters asking for further clarification(s).

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    I predict CAA saddle sales to skyrocket
    #RESIST

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    Where did I put that six pack of "I Told You So Stout?"

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    Stocks are on rifles. If you ask the ATF to approve your usage of something that is a brace as a stock; they're going to say that's a rifle. However, if it's a brace and you use it; sometimes from the shoulder. There's no restrictions on how to fire a pistol. But the moment you say it's a stock and ask to use it as a stock; it's over.

    If you ask them can you set a firearm to shoot more than one bullet with one pull of the trigger. That's a machine gun.

    They asked the ATF if this could be used as a stock and of course they said No. They have no choice.

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