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  1. #21
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    I was practicing head shots at 25 last week. I realized two things, every lapse in the fundamentals was obvious after the trigger break and factory Glock sights are awful. I redeemed myself shooting Warren tactical sights after the factory Glock. I just couldn't get my act together at 25 with the factory sights. The sight blade was as wide or wider than the head but still.

    I found it was encouraging for me. Shooting at distance requires your fundamentals be solid. I'm having to learn to shoot more accurately, speed is usually not my concern at competitions. It's waiting to see if I failed to neutralize.

    ETA: I brought two Glocks to the range. A 17 and a 19 to test out. The 19 had no hiccups with a mix of about 200 of Blazer brass, Remington FMJ, or Federal FMJ 115 grain 9mm. I was pleased.
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    Shot this for the first time ever last night running my RMR'd G17.

    Scored 566

    SHO needs work.

    I'm gonna try to shoot this or the 500pt version on the 1st of each month to see how I improve.
    Last edited by NickDrak; 03-02-2016 at 04:15 PM.

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    I took a class with Pat McNamara in 2012. His training focuses a LOT on accuracy.

    One of the drills we shot was the 500 point aggregate on a NRA B8 target.

    I haven't shot that drill in a couple of years. I'm going to do so in the next few weeks and see how it goes. Shooting accuracy drills can be a good way to check your basic skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff22 View Post
    I took a class with Pat McNamara in 2012. His training focuses a LOT on accuracy.

    One of the drills we shot was the 500 point aggregate on a NRA B8 target.

    I haven't shot that drill in a couple of years. I'm going to do so in the next few weeks and see how it goes. Shooting accuracy drills can be a good way to check your basic skills.
    Do the 700 and make sure you score between every stage.

  5. #25
    I've shot this one several times since my original post. Results are

    20 DEC 2014 623
    21 DEC 2014 610
    26 DEC 2014 638
    28 DEC 2014 638

    23 JAN 2015 605
    07 FEB 2015 584
    17 APR 2015 618
    18 APR 2015 578
    01 NOV 2015 587
    01 NOV 2015 596

    04 FEB 2016 618

    I shot all of the scores reported for 2014 and 2015 with Glocks. 2014 was mostly Gen3 G17s. 2015 was Gen3 G17s in the beginning, plus one run with a G26, finishing with a strong skew towards a Gen4 G17 and a Gen4 G19. The 2016 run was with a VP9. Once I get my G43 regulated and zeroed, I'll probably make a run with that, too.

    There are a couple of administrative issues with this drill. First is that it requires a 25-yard range that lets you work from the holster. The range where I shoot this drill prohibits holster work as a general rule, but the rangemaster will let me and a couple of other guys do whatever we want if no one else is there. As a result, most of the winter runs were shot in failing light on rainy days, which may have affected my scores.

    Another problem is that you have to shoot this drill cold. I seem to remember Kyle DeFoor defining cold as a week without shooting a pistol. I'm on the range often enough that I have trouble getting cold, which explains the gap between April and November in 2015. It also explains the higher scores toward the end of 2014--I was not shooting them cold.

    I REALLY like this drill. It's kind of a bitch, but it shows me exactly where I am on fundamentals and where I need to improve. It doesn't cover reloads or real speed work, but we have the Hackathorn Standards and other things for that.


    Okie John
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie john View Post
    I've shot this one several times since my original post. Results are

    20 DEC 2014 623
    21 DEC 2014 610
    26 DEC 2014 638
    28 DEC 2014 638

    23 JAN 2015 605
    07 FEB 2015 584
    17 APR 2015 618
    18 APR 2015 578
    01 NOV 2015 587
    01 NOV 2015 596

    04 FEB 2016 618

    I shot all of the scores reported for 2014 and 2015 with Glocks. 2014 was mostly Gen3 G17s. 2015 was Gen3 G17s in the beginning, plus one run with a G26, finishing with a strong skew towards a Gen4 G17 and a Gen4 G19. The 2016 run was with a VP9. Once I get my G43 regulated and zeroed, I'll probably make a run with that, too.

    There are a couple of administrative issues with this drill. First is that it requires a 25-yard range that lets you work from the holster. The range where I shoot this drill prohibits holster work as a general rule, but the rangemaster will let me and a couple of other guys do whatever we want if no one else is there. As a result, most of the winter runs were shot in failing light on rainy days, which may have affected my scores.

    Another problem is that you have to shoot this drill cold. I seem to remember Kyle DeFoor defining cold as a week without shooting a pistol. I'm on the range often enough that I have trouble getting cold, which explains the gap between April and November in 2015. It also explains the higher scores toward the end of 2014--I was not shooting them cold.

    I REALLY like this drill. It's kind of a bitch, but it shows me exactly where I am on fundamentals and where I need to improve. It doesn't cover reloads or real speed work, but we have the Hackathorn Standards and other things for that.


    Okie John
    Good numbers!

    It is recommended to run the 700 at least once every 3-4 months to see where you are and run smaller 100/200 drills to set you up for the next time you run the 700.

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    Shot this test back in October at Northern Red class, scored a 492. Suffered greatly from single hand shooting (support hand only was a nightmare). Since then, practicing 25m freestyle at least every range trip since. Freestyle has been aggregated at the 60s-70s. Long way to go.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    2) My belief that slow fire group shooting is not relevant to me in practical shooting competition, not useful to me in the hunting field, and not useful to me in defensive shooting.
    True, if it's thought of as a "slow fire group". But if it's considered as (example) "10 singles", then it becomes "10 first shots". The training value increases if the student waits as long as he can (but no longer) as the 60 second mark approaches to begin his reply. There's training value there, if we truly believe the fist shot is the most important.

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    Hey Okie! The DoW for the Humbler closed before I finally got around to shooting my first Humbler this week. Yeah, it's aptly named.

    I shot a G19 for a 562.

    1. 95
    2. 85
    3. 85
    4. 39
    5. 38
    6. 17 (whoa, SHO rapid fire)
    7. 43
    8. 43
    9. 40
    10. 38
    11. 39

    It really illustrates where one needs work! I'll be hitting this again soon. I've got to get my time management under control. Timed fire I was alway done by 14-15 sec. Heck, slowfire I was wrapped up in 2 min max out of patience issues!
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    I haven't shot a pistol since Thanksgiving and so to get back in the game I decided to run the Humbler for the first time.

    1. 87, 46 sec
    2. 89, 14 sec each
    3. 71, 7.36 (dropped too many points) and 9.74
    4. 46, 80.06 sec
    5. 43, 9.81 sec
    6. 30, 8.43 sec
    7. 25, 31.46 sec
    8. 45, 18.51 sec
    9. 35, 13.74 sec
    10. 43, 24.37 sec
    11. 41, 11.76 sec

    555/700

    Aggregate target (I layered a new b8 for each string):

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