Don't overlook Frank Garcia. He's an old dude still placing top 16 to top 25 at Production Nationals. He was working 1 on 1 with Sal Luna for awhile. Sal dropped out of the sky and now has 2 top 16 finishes at Nats and I think he has a couple Level 2 and 3 wins. To do that in 2-3 years of serious training is very good. Actually Frank maybe the better trainer for Production style shooting.