50-60 round fundamental carbine drill set

[Jared]

How big is your bedroom? How big can a bedroom possibly be in a typical, middle to upper middle class home? How many points of entry are there to it? My bet is just one.

Jesus, with an AR and 30 rounds on board you need to know nothing more than your sight offset (since this will be very up close and personal) and how to hammer someone's chest inside of 5 - 7 yards as fast as humanly possible. Maybe work on some lateral target transitions in case two come through the door instead of one.

This ain't rocket science

No, it isn't rocket science. I probably would never need the rifle for defense, and should I need it, your bare minimum would likely suffice. I like to do more than the bare minimum. I'm trying to find a happy medium between bare minimum and 3 Gun Nation Pro Series champion here.

[Kevin B.]

Paul Howe's rifle standards are 34 rds of rifle and one pistol round. If you shot the standards and then used your remaining rounds to practice your "no go's" you'd be pretty good. When you pass the standards reliably, use a target with a smaller hit zone.

I would second this recommendation. You can develop a fairly comprehensive skill set by shooting the standards.

[Alpha Sierra]

No, it isn't rocket science. I probably would never need the rifle for defense, and should I need it, your bare minimum would likely suffice. I like to do more than the bare minimum. I'm trying to find a happy medium between bare minimum and 3 Gun Nation Pro Series champion here.

You asked for something tailored to your situation.

[John Hearne]

The CSAT rifle standards have 10 rds beyond 50 yds - 5 at 100 prone and 5 at 75 yards kneeling. If you exclude them, that's just 24 rifle rounds and a pistol round which is a pretty low round count. Of course, with the two more difficult stages removed, passing all of them.then becomes an expectation.

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[Jared]

The CSAT rifle standards have 10 rds beyond 50 yds - 5 at 100 prone and 5 at 75 yards kneeling. If you exclude them, that's just 24 rifle rounds and a pistol round which is a pretty low round count. Of course, with the two more difficult stages removed, passing all of them.then becomes an expectation.

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Thanks. I'll probably run the full CSAT at some point, it looks like a good test once I get a smidge further up the skill ladder.

[John Hearne]

Wasn't sure whether to start or another thread or tack on to this one but....

I was at the range spending a little time with my carbine. It was a very cold session for me but I decided to play around with a couple of drills.

Firstly, I shot two versions of "The Test." Both were at 50 yards on a 10 second par. The first version was 10 rounds and the second was 8 rounds both from low ready. If I had to guess, the 10 rounds is probably the better standard. I shot the 8 round version at the end of my range session (when I was warmed up) and I was well under par. If I was actually tuned up and a good carbine shooter, the 10 rounds in 10 seconds at a 90% level would indicate a solid mastery of the basics but I'd be pretty happy with 8 rounds. 8 and 10 rounds could be a basic and advanced standard.

My other question about this standard is the target. I used the FBI Bullseye which includes a 7 ring. If the 7 ring is scored then the drill is a lot easier. I can't remember whether Ken uses the 7 ring when demanding 90% on his version. If you score the 7 ring then 90% is pretty reachable.

I also shot Tom Given's Casino drill at 25 yards using the LE Targets version of the target (slightly smaller shapes - ~6" circle, square, and triangle). I was loaded 7, 7, & 7 and quickly figured out that with a carbine this was all about your ability to reload quickly. With a one second penalty for a miss, I never got near the 21 second needed to pass the pistol version of the drill. What I figured out was that at 25 yards and with the smaller targets it was hard to get locked in and bang in the hits like I can with the pistol. The best adjusted score I could pull off was a 30.73.

Since I'm stingy with ammunition, I came up with the 15 in 15 at 15. I was loaded 5, 5, and 5 at 15 yards. I started on the 1 and worked my way to the 5. With the same one second penalty for a miss, my best was 13.92.

I didn't shoot it this way but, this drill would work if you started at the 6 and work down to 3. That would be a bit easier since you'd only have three targets to engage but the reloads would interrupt every engagement. I'll try it next time I go the range which hopefully won't be with as much of a break as this one was.

[Dropkick]

Cool findings! Reminds me that I need to drag my AR out to the range and confirm the zero and run a couple simple drills to make sure I didn't forget how the thing works.