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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    Actually, I don't think she's ever shot that gun. She's a widow, and asked me to clean it for her. That thing was so dry that I could hardly get the slide back, and she was surprised that there wasn't a round in the chamber- which could have made for a rather awkward click.
    Yet another "gun-as-talisman" gun owner.

    I suppose that it's good that such a person, as an initial step, has gone so far as to actually acquire a firearm at all, but to be so naive as to then apparently imagine that it will somehow "protect her", absent any experience, practice, maintenance or study on her part, seems hard to believe.
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    If you're okay with a smaller company loading I've had excellent luck with Precision One's XTP loadings. I've shot about 500 rounds of both the +P version and the standard pressure stuff in .380 ACP, (250 rounds of each in +P and std pressure). It shoots clean, accurate and reliable as far as I've experienced. I've run about 75 rounds through an LCP, (standard pressure) the other 425 were through a G42. It can be bought in bulk, and is good alternative if you can't find factory Hornady loaded stuff. Fiocchi extrema used to also be available with an XTP projectile in 50 round boxes. Not sure if they're still made though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMWINCLE View Post
    If you can't find an XTP loading, Federal Hydra-Shok are also OK.
    My local had a box of XTP in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWBONES View Post
    Yet another "gun-as-talisman" gun owner.

    I suppose that it's good that such a person, as an initial step, has gone so far as to actually acquire a firearm at all, but to be so naive as to then apparently imagine that it will somehow "protect her", absent any experience, practice, maintenance or study on her part, seems hard to believe.
    She's interested in getting more into shooting and so on.
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    I'm not a big fan of Buffalo Bore but this looks like the Xtreme Penetrator bullet without the fluting.

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=571


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    I'm not a big fan of Buffalo Bore but this looks like the Xtreme Penetrator bullet without the fluting.

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=571

    If this runs in Glock20, it could be a perfect load

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    Lehigh Defense: Xtreme Penetrator Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by cheby View Post
    If this runs in Glock20, it could be a perfect load
    I am convinced that the G20 with heavy 10mm loads needs an extra power mag spring and mag shims for reliable function. Bullet shape is not the main factor.

    I am adding a metal Zev mag release as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    From what I have seen, the answer to your question is likely a solid ''no''. Not seeing any large LE agencies or the .mil buying this stuff.

    LeHigh Defense's advertisements suggest that they have yet to realize that the radial cracking exhinbited in testing in 10% gelatin (of any other test medium) does not correlate directly with actual tissue damage.
    Not only do these fluted bullets seem to do more damage to gel than FMJ, they do significantly more damage to meat:



    Granted living tissue is more elastic than butchered pork chops/pork ribs, but if I couldn't carry expanding bullets I'd feel better loaded with fluted underwood defender/polycase arx than ball ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Not only do these fluted bullets seem to do more damage to gel than FMJ, they do significantly more damage to meat:



    Granted living tissue is more elastic than butchered pork chops/pork ribs, but if I couldn't carry expanding bullets I'd feel better loaded with fluted underwood defender/polycase arx than ball ammo.
    I've never been able to take Mr. Harrell's videos very seriously and have several reservations as to the validity of his work; his use of oranges to simulate pulmonary tissue being chief among them. None of the groceries that Harrell is shooting are documented as being valid soft tissue analogs, so conclusions drawn from Harrell's videos are suspect at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    I've never been able to take Mr. Harrell's videos very seriously and have several reservations as to the validity of his work; his use of oranges to simulate pulmonary tissue being chief among them. None of the groceries that Harrell is shooting are documented as being valid soft tissue analogs, so conclusions drawn from Harrell's videos are suspect at best.
    His observations outside of terminal ballistics usually strike me as more valid than his obervations inside the subject area.

    I`ve never understood why he doesn't use rubber bags or something similar for "lung tissue." Probably to hard to obtain locally.

    I tried his "break the concrete block evenly bit" with my cw45 recently, and that shit is more difficult than it looks. (I toppled the block on shot three, having blown apart the base.) He's a fine shot. But I didn't throw away my 9mm 147 Ranger T-series ammo, even after his video declared it "crap." That video, and a few others by him, do show that ammo batches vary, sometimes dramatically.

    The meat target bits are fun, I just wish he described them that way instead of "definitive." Shooting water-filled jugs of a consistent type every time would be at least a comparable data set.

    Hence, my highly scientific "Redneck Ballistic Protocol." 🤡
    Last edited by Baldanders; 11-09-2019 at 12:04 PM.
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