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    She's interested in getting more into shooting and so on.
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    I'm not a big fan of Buffalo Bore but this looks like the Xtreme Penetrator bullet without the fluting.

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=571

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    I'm not a big fan of Buffalo Bore but this looks like the Xtreme Penetrator bullet without the fluting.

    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=571

    If this runs in Glock20, it could be a perfect load

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    Lehigh Defense: Xtreme Penetrator Ammunition

    Quote Originally Posted by cheby View Post
    If this runs in Glock20, it could be a perfect load
    I am convinced that the G20 with heavy 10mm loads needs an extra power mag spring and mag shims for reliable function. Bullet shape is not the main factor.

    I am adding a metal Zev mag release as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    From what I have seen, the answer to your question is likely a solid ''no''. Not seeing any large LE agencies or the .mil buying this stuff.

    LeHigh Defense's advertisements suggest that they have yet to realize that the radial cracking exhinbited in testing in 10% gelatin (of any other test medium) does not correlate directly with actual tissue damage.
    Not only do these fluted bullets seem to do more damage to gel than FMJ, they do significantly more damage to meat:



    Granted living tissue is more elastic than butchered pork chops/pork ribs, but if I couldn't carry expanding bullets I'd feel better loaded with fluted underwood defender/polycase arx than ball ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Not only do these fluted bullets seem to do more damage to gel than FMJ, they do significantly more damage to meat:



    Granted living tissue is more elastic than butchered pork chops/pork ribs, but if I couldn't carry expanding bullets I'd feel better loaded with fluted underwood defender/polycase arx than ball ammo.
    I've never been able to take Mr. Harrell's videos very seriously and have several reservations as to the validity of his work; his use of oranges to simulate pulmonary tissue being chief among them. None of the groceries that Harrell is shooting are documented as being valid soft tissue analogs, so conclusions drawn from Harrell's videos are suspect at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    I've never been able to take Mr. Harrell's videos very seriously and have several reservations as to the validity of his work; his use of oranges to simulate pulmonary tissue being chief among them. None of the groceries that Harrell is shooting are documented as being valid soft tissue analogs, so conclusions drawn from Harrell's videos are suspect at best.
    His observations outside of terminal ballistics usually strike me as more valid than his obervations inside the subject area.

    I`ve never understood why he doesn't use rubber bags or something similar for "lung tissue." Probably to hard to obtain locally.

    I tried his "break the concrete block evenly bit" with my cw45 recently, and that shit is more difficult than it looks. (I toppled the block on shot three, having blown apart the base.) He's a fine shot. But I didn't throw away my 9mm 147 Ranger T-series ammo, even after his video declared it "crap." That video, and a few others by him, do show that ammo batches vary, sometimes dramatically.

    The meat target bits are fun, I just wish he described them that way instead of "definitive." Shooting water-filled jugs of a consistent type every time would be at least a comparable data set.

    Hence, my highly scientific "Redneck Ballistic Protocol." 🤡
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    Has anyone here actually shot a live critter with any of the fluted Leigh,ARX, or silmilar bullets and necro'd the animal? I think I've read this whole thread, don't recall such.
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