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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Yes, with the slide most of the way open.
    Sounds very similar to my Glock 22 problems of record
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  2. #112
    Makes me ever so glad I replaced my GL20s, GL29s with HK USP 45s !

  3. #113
    Out of curiosity, what exact malfunctions are you seeing with your Glock 10mms?
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  4. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Yes, with the slide most of the way open.
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLebowski View Post
    Out of curiosity, what exact malfunctions are you seeing with your Glock 10mms?
    See above
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

  5. #115
    Post a picture of the malfunction. Have you measured good ammo versus bad ammo COAL?
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  6. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLebowski View Post
    Have you measured good ammo versus bad ammo COAL?
    This, and if you wouldn't mind too terribly much, what was the meplat size on the offending hardcast loads. I have theories.

  7. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Pretty cool. I wish he'd brained it too and proven the point about hard .355s
    Yes. During some lean years, the only "trail gun" I had was a Glock 19 loaded with 147 grain, brass jacketed flat points. Maybe I wasn't so ill equipped after all.

    Hearing of somebody stopping a brown bear attack with a 9mm makes me think they got away with something, regarding terminal ballistics. But equipment wise, he had the advantage of a gun he could get good hits with quickly. I've said it before, but I think the folks who are loading .44's and .454's to nuclear levels for close in bear defense are handicapping themselves unless they get a perfect shot to the noggin at the first go.

    Mainly though, Shoemaker managed to eat a shit sandwhich and get good hits on the bear in what sounds like a wild melee without shooting his clients in the process.

  8. #118
    Been on the run today, but will try to get some measurements tomorrow afternoon. No pictures taken of the stoppages in the G29 and G20.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

  9. #119
    http://homernews.com/homer-news/loca...rk-bear-attack

    STAFF WRITER
    A Homer man shot and killed a charging sow brown bear at Humpy Creek last Friday. Kim Woodman, 57, shot the bear five times with a 10mm handgun before the bear fell about 6 feet from him. While backing away from the sow, Woodman fell and accidentally shot himself in the left foot.

    Woodman was able to get to his skiff and return to Homer, where he checked into the South Peninsula Hospital emergency room. Woodman had no injuries from the bear, said Jack Blackwell, area superintendent of Alaska State Parks, Kenai-Prince William Sound region.

    Blackwell said Woodman surprised a brown bear with two cubs while hiking about 4 p.m. July 29 off the trail along the southwest fork of Humpy Creek in Kachemak Bay State Park. The bears were probably feeding on pink salmon in the creek. Woodman filled out a defense of life and property report, and Park Ranger Jason Okuly and Alaska Department of Fish and Game biologist Jason Herreman went to the scene and found the dead sow bear. They reported the sow had two gunshot wounds, one below the right eye and one in the chest.

    They recovered the skull and paws to prevent trophy looting. The carcass was about 6 feet from where Woodman tripped.

    “It was fairly close,” Blackwell said.

    Fish and Game Kenai Area biologist Jeff Selinger said the sow had been lactating, but it’s unknown if the sow had cubs of the year or older cubs. Older cubs would have a good chance of surviving, but younger cubs would not. Selinger said Fish and Game won’t make an effort to look for the cubs unless they hear reports of the cubs hanging out in the area. Biologists would have to be certain the cubs were orphaned and not another sow’s cubs.

    “We care about the animals. The thing we want to avoid is making a bad situation worse,” Selinger said.

    Selinger said this is the first defense of life bear shooting he knows of since 2002, when he began working for Fish and Game on the Kenai Peninsula. Black bears are more common in Kachemak Bay State Park.

    People who shoot bears in self defense are normally required to salvage the hide and skull, but because Woodman was injured, he did not have to do so, Selinger said.

    This is not Woodman’s first defense of life bear shooting. In September 1992 while moose hunting near Ohlson Mountain, he shot a brown bear Woodman said was stalking him. According to an Oct. 1, 1992, Homer News article, Woodman injured the bear with a rifle shot at close range and then killed it when the bullet failed to pierce the bear’s skull and it got up.

    Woodman does not have a public phone number, and he did not return a Facebook message for comment.

    Michael Armstrong can be reached at michael.armstrong@homernews.com.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

  10. #120
    Okay folks - the steel plates I intend to try and poke holes into have arrived (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1) It's 3/8" AR500.

    My question is about the testing protocols. I don't now, nor will I in the foreseeable future, have access to any manner of ballistic gel. I have no phonebooks or stack of newspapers, so collection of the projectiles will probably have to be jugs of water.

    Also, what distance is appropriate for this. I really don't want to be sprayed with spall or other debris. But I don't want to read comments like, "you were too close/far/standing on one foot/smiling/etc. so the fact that it penetrated doesn't mean sqaut." The proof of concept for me is to use this as a woods gun. I have no access to suicidal bears and moose... My goal is to shoot perpendicular to the plates and if the bullet makes it through, then try hitting them at an angle since most skulls are sloped.

    Thoughts? Recommendations? Advice?

    Hoping to do this in the coming weeks if weather cooperates. Thanks!

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