Two specific questions

[SouthNarc]

Guys I'd like to get some answers to two very specific questions, understanding of course that the answers are subjective.

#1. At 5 yards what do you consider the maximum amount of time required to hit a 3x5 card from an unholstered compressed position with a press-out? Answers should be termed in time. .75......85....25...,.so on and so forth.

#2. At 5 yards what size target zone do you consider to be acceptable accuracy when shooting as fast as you can at the torso? In other words a six inch circle, a standard "A" zone, a 3 inch inverted triangle? When you look at a torso target after a string of extremely rapid fire what makes you say to yourself "Yeah...I started losing it with this shot and this one down here".

I'm asking these questions as part of constructing some standards. I'm talking about drills, not tactics or the chaos of a real fight.

Thanks!

[David Armstrong]

My personal standard is "keep everything on a standard paper plate" grouping at full speed.

[Prdator]

Guys I'd like to get some answers to two very specific questions, understanding of course that the answers are subjective.

#1. At 5 yards what do you consider the maximum amount of time required to hit a 3x5 card from an unholstered compressed position with a press-out? Answers should be termed in time. .75......85....25...,.so on and so forth.

#2. At 5 yards what size target zone do you consider to be acceptable accuracy when shooting as fast as you can at the torso? In other words a six inch circle, a standard "A" zone, a 3 inch inverted triangle? When you look at a torso target after a string of extremely rapid fire what makes you say to yourself "Yeah...I started losing it with this shot and this one down here".

I'm asking these questions as part of constructing some standards. I'm talking about drills, not tactics or the chaos of a real fight.

Thanks!

1, Maximum amount of time for who? ( caliber of shooter?) For me I would want to be below the .8 second mark and that might be though to do cold and on demand. For a less experienced shooter etc say 1.75.

2, (FAST as I can) I'd have to go with the Zero down on an IDPA target or an 8'' circle for me, Agin for a less experienced shooter I'd have to go to the -1 on the IDPA. I think rounds in that area why not perfect would be as Costa says combat accurate.

[DocGKR]

Teaching a group of average LE officers, I think it would be reasonable to require:

1. Preferably under 1 sec.

2. A 6" circle.

Obviously shooter skill levels may require modifications to the above...

[GJM]

The Rogers School standard from an extended, confirmed ready is .5 second for an 8 inch target at 7 yards, with .25 for each successive shot.

In an AAR on the Rogers School, I described their times for various shots and combinations of shots:

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.p...hooting-School

[gringop]

My normal close distance work is at 7 yards. I would guess .9 sec for the 3x5 and 8" for the bill drill at 7.
Extrapolated to 5 yards, .8 and 6". That's at a low IDPA Master level. Normalize from there.

Crap, now I gotta go shoot this to confirm my SWAG.

Gringop

[YVK]

Teaching a group of average LE officers, I think it would be reasonable to require:

1. Preferably under 1 sec.

2. A 6" circle.

Obviously shooter skill levels may require modifications to the above...

I consider myself an intermediate civilian shooter, and the above parameters appear reasonable to me. I don't think I can always make it, especially the first one, but I can make it most of the time.

[ToddG]

#1. At 5 yards what do you consider the maximum amount of time required to hit a 3x5 card from an unholstered compressed position with a press-out?

Like any skill measurement, you need to define the goal and/or performers. Just a SWAG without actually testing at the range, I'd say somewhere in the 0.75 zone for myself.

#2. At 5 yards what size target zone do you consider to be acceptable accuracy when shooting as fast as you can at the torso? In other words a six inch circle, a standard "A" zone, a 3 inch inverted triangle? When you look at a torso target after a string of extremely rapid fire what makes you say to yourself "Yeah...I started losing it with this shot and this one down here".

"Acceptable accuracy" and "shooting as fast as you can" are competing goals. I consider 8" acceptable (6" better) and try to regulate my speed to achieve that except when I'm specifically drilling speed (in which case my goal is 90% hits inside the same target zone).

[JDM]

"SWAG" ?

[JV_]

"SWAG" ?

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