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  1. #391
    TF is also doing an aluminum aggressively checkered "Death Grip" backstrap suitable for carry. After experiencing the great improvement in my out of holster indexing in competition using the brass competition version, I put the aluminum version on my carry VP9L's.

    Doesn't seem to unduly tear up an undershirt, and makes a tremendous difference vs the stock polymer backstraps, for my size XXL hands.
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  2. #392
    Any updates on the extended backstrap (either HK bringing it to the US or sourcing a dealer who will)? Looks like there are some good deals on these guns right now, but I'm not a fan of the current backstraps.

  3. #393
    Quote Originally Posted by Archer1440 View Post
    TF is also doing an aluminum aggressively checkered "Death Grip" backstrap suitable for carry. After experiencing the great improvement in my out of holster indexing in competition using the brass competition version, I put the aluminum version on my carry VP9L's.

    Doesn't seem to unduly tear up an undershirt, and makes a tremendous difference vs the stock polymer backstraps, for my size XXL hands.
    What’s the sizing on the TF backstrap? Are they more like the medium or a large?

  4. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by 2501 View Post
    What’s the sizing on the TF backstrap? Are they more like the medium or a large?
    Closer to medium, very slightly less. HK Large is about 0.700" thick at the hump, medium is 0.600, small is 0.510".

    The TF part is 0.576". However, at the top (where it sweeps into the pivot point of the frame), it's the same dim as a small.

    Photo shows the TF part on the left and the HK medium on the right.
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  5. #395
    Quote Originally Posted by Archer1440 View Post
    Closer to medium, very slightly less. HK Large is about 0.700" thick at the hump, medium is 0.600, small is 0.510".

    The TF part is 0.576". However, at the top (where it sweeps into the pivot point of the frame), it's the same dim as a small.

    Photo shows the TF part on the left and the HK medium on the right.

    That’s awesome. Thank you for taking the time to do that. I’ll be ordering one

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    H&K’s VP9 Certified Under NIJ’s Semi-Auto Pistol Standard
    By Erick Gelhaus
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    Published On: February 20th, 2024
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    Categories: Featured, Guns, Handguns

    NIJ VP9 Press Release
    (Photo courtesy of H&K)
    The past week, Heckler & Koch’s law enforcement division announced that their VP-9 pistol had been certified under the National Institute for Justice’s (NIJ) 0112.03 standard. Good for H&K, but what does that mean, you ask? Excellent question.

    Like the updated body armor standard I recently wrote about, there are NIJ standards for firearms and other critical equipment. This includes current or draft standards for shotguns and patrol rifles.




    Current Standard

    Adopted in July 1999, the current handgun standard is 0112.03. The document’s purpose is to establish performance requirements and test methods for law enforcement duty pistols.

    Those requirements start out with the necessary criteria for acceptance. Before getting to the pistol itself, the manufacturer needs to send the following information with the handgun – instructions for assembly and disassembly as well as a parts diagram, cleaning instructions, directions on safety features and how to use them, identification of acceptable ammunition, how spare parts can be obtained, and any certification information.


    A handgun isn’t viable for duty use unless it has holster support – Raven Concealment and Safariland supported the VP9.

    The document lays out both a visual and physical inspection of the samples submitted for testing and certification. How does that apply to your agency when they are selecting a duty weapon?





    Selection

    Your selection process can take into consideration the minimum requirements laid out in this NIJ standard. For example, visually, there cannot be any loose chips or debris from the machining process inside the frame or slide. Physically, the pistol’s action must operate smoothly along with its ejection cycle, trigger, hammer or striker, magazines, and all safeties. If they do not work smoothly and as designed, those are disqualifying issues. That is not an individual officer’s opinion; that is the NIJ standard.

    Each pistol is function-tested in all its designed action modes. The process looks for any sticking, binding, grittiness, or hesitation. Extraction and ejection are tested in live fire.
    The trigger pull is tested in terms of the design – whether single action, double, or striker fired. All safety features were similarly tested – trigger safety, grip safety, or frame-mounted safeties. The insertion and removal of the magazines were examined, as well as whether they would bind and stick.


    Caught the spent case just starting to be ejected while Ray M was shooting the pistol.

    Two types of round counts are addressed in the document. Initially, there is a 600-round live-fire test that must be completed without any mechanical or structural failures. There cannot be any more than five (5) stoppages or malfunctions, if you will, within those 600 rounds.

    In the 0112.03 standard, the identified calibers are 9mm Luger, .357Sig, .40S&W, and .45ACP.

    Pending Standard

    That is off the old standard; what about the pending standard? 0112.04 has been out in draft form since December 2018.


    The author’s earlier FDE-colored VP9 pistol. This has a very well-designed user-configurable frame.

    In addition to the previous criteria, the pending standard will address:
    – Endurance testing;
    – Point of aim, point of impact testing;
    – Drop testing;
    – High and low-temperature extremes;
    – Sand and saltwater exposure;
    – Obstructed bore issues;




    Endurance Testing

    There is a ten thousand (10,000) round endurance test requirement. An individual agency may not be able to run enough pistols to that round count, but if a handgun model has passed that sort of testing, it is an indication of the gun’s capabilities.


    Newer VP9 slides are machined to allow pistol-mounted optics (courtesy of H&K).

    The current Department of Defense Modular Handgun System pistol was tested to 10,000 rounds. My recollection of the FBI’s testing – from conversations with special agents at their Ballistics Research Facility – was they fired 20,000 rounds through test samples. Based on the Bureau’s test information, during the last handgun selection process I was involved in, we fired 2500 rounds through each of five sample pistols, with two types of weapon-mounted lights attached. While we were not going to duplicate the Bureau’s testing, we could validate performance data.

    Accuracy

    A Ransom Rest must be used for accuracy testing that will take place at 25 yards. It will involve five groups of five shots each. Those groups must be less than 2” in diameter. There can be no more than an extreme spread of 4” from shot to shot at that distance during the process.

    Pistols and their magazines will be drop-tested from a height of five (5) feet onto concrete. The handgun was dropped at ten different angles.


    Accuracy and function are critical in the certification process.

    If the pistol has ambidextrous or reversible controls, it will be tested with two right-hand samples and one left-handed.

    Testing will address temperature extremes of -20 degrees and 120 degrees Fahrenheit.




    Issues

    Two areas of note are missing from the draft 0112.04 standard. The first is the subject of accessory rails on the frame. It would be nice to have one design for weapon-mounted lights and lasers. That would simplify the design and manufacturing process.


    Pistol-mounted optics and weapon-mounted lights are very common these days; neither are discussed in the pending standard (courtesy of H&K)

    The second area is pistol-mounted optics. In December 2018, the transition to optics was starting to simmer. The 0112.04 standard lacks any mention of the topic. Standardized mounting methods, footprints, covers, placement of back-up iron sights, and the like all need to be addressed.

    The pending standard adds .380Auto to the caliber list.

    Final Thoughts

    I applaud H&K’s efforts to have the VP9 and VP9SK certified under 0112.03, and I’m very glad they announced their success. In addition to the VP9, other currently certified pistols include:
    Beretta M9A1, Gen 5 Glock 17 and 19, Shadow Systems DR920 and MR920, along with Smith & Wesson’s M&P 2.0 in 9mm (3.6”, 4”, 4.25”, and 5”), .40S&W (4.25”), and .45ACP (4”, 4.25”) models. Some manufacturers are notable in their absence. The current handgun standard is nearly 25 years old; the pending standard has been sitting for five years. Neither address the subject of pistol-mounted optics.


    The criteria has been out for over 20 years, these are the handguns that have been certified (NIJ website).

    The yet-to-be-adopted patrol rifle standard is dated December 2018. The 12-gauge shotgun standard (0113.00) was published in March 1989 – months before I started the police academy.

    NIJ needs to update these documents, make each one current, and adopt them. Individual officers, law enforcement agencies, and the firearms industry deserve that.

    RESOURCES

    Current NIJ Pistol Standard

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    Several VP9 variants were recently added to the California roster:

    Heckler & Koch VP9 OR* UPC 67947 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.09" 9mm
    Heckler & Koch VP9* UPC 67961 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 4.09" 9mm
    Heckler & Koch VP9L OR* UPC 67985 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 5" 9mm
    Heckler & Koch VP9SK OR* UPC 68005 / Steel, Polymer Pistol 3.39 9mm

    from https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certifie...ch?make=151014

    Several vendors have them posted as "coming soon."

    This makes me happy. Guess I won't be sending something else out for an optics cut, and waiting til these become available instead.

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    I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I was surprised to see that the NIJ standard would allow as many as 5 stoppages during the 600 rd live fire test. Or did I misread that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtexan View Post
    I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I was surprised to see that the NIJ standard would allow as many as 5 stoppages during the 600 rd live fire test. Or did I misread that?
    That is not what I read.

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    This is 5 rounds of Federal 147 grain HST from 20 yards fired supported from sand bags. It’s a bit depressing that I can’t get my Gen5 G34 MOS with Aimpoint ACRO P2 to come close to that.
    I like my rifles like my women - short, light, fast, brown, and suppressed.

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