The bear hated Glocks - most likely what caused the whole thing ........Originally Posted by Tamara
The bear hated Glocks - most likely what caused the whole thing ........
the funny thing is I have more Glock pistols than any other brand, and that is even calling a 1911 "a brand." And, my wife exclusively shoots a Glock, excepting the off S&W revolver, and has several dozen of her own.
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
As usual, this threads are expensive.
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
Not to nudge you any more, but one of the things that sold me on the 1006 (full size variant of the 1066) is that the control layout was the same as the Beretta 92.
The 1066 was nice, but for a 10mm I'd take the 1006 to try and get all of the velocity I could get.
First, no nudge needed as I will soon be bi-wesson, meaning a 1076 and 1066.
I could care less about control placement and decocking. You know that bear story -- if needed for real, I will be shooting that thing to slide lock, and then someone else will have to remove it from the place you hope there isn't much of a front sight.
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
IIRC, the frame mounted decockers came about from the FBI telling S&W, "We will buy your guns, if you make them work just like these Sigs that we've become enamoured with."
I'm still not sure how some kind of patent infringement lawsuit was avoided.
True.
Compounding the issue was the fact that The Director Had Spoken; FBI was going to 10mm, despite his FTU people telling him it was a real bad idea; and there were exactly three to choose from... the Colt Delta Elite 1911, the G20, and the S&W. FBI held to the prevailing (at the time) cop perception that any SA gun with a manual safety was bad juju for LE work; one that is still valid today for a general-issue piece. The Glock was still new, and considered by FBI FTU to be the anti-Christ (due to all the negligent injury/wrongful death suits Glock was facing at the time, caused by cops who had not been trained to keep their finger OFF of the trigger, etc.). So that left the S&W.
An amusing aside was the fact that they first approached Sig about making a 10mm P226, and the Sig/USA guys over here said "Sure, we can do that." When the idea was floated in Germany, the Teutonic engineers nixed it, knowing that a complete re-design would be necessary and that an alloy frame would not stand the pounding. What makes it amusing is that , I was told, Sig neglected to inform the FBI of this decision, so after Ted Hollobaugh and his merry men developed the "10mm Lite" cartridge, they informed Sig of this and asked "Where's our gun?"
The answer allegedly was, "Gun? What gun?"
Bottom line, they (FBI FTU) were between a rock and a hard place now, and the S&W offering was the lesser of three evils. The frame-mount decocker was indeed a last-minute add-on. And the rest, as they say, is history...
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Physics? Material Sciences? Only smart people took those courses. I got a degree in something like Post-Structuralist Deconstructionism, in which we learned how irony is used in anti-imperialist discourse. Or something. So I had to find out about the limitations of polymer the hard way (during the course of which I also accidently learned why one doesn't want to fire a bullet at velocities well in excess of its design limitations).
The S&W part that is the Sig copy decocker thingy was referred to in the armorers class I was last in as the "Bart Simpson" due to it's appearance. It's pretty cheesy looking when you get the parts out and look at them.
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