Freestyle shooting at 25 yds revisited

[lwt16]

These work even better than using readers under your shooting glasses. Feels like cheating. You do have to work out where to attach them to your lens for your eye and shooting style:

https://www.amazon.com/Hydrotac-Magn...l+lenses&psc=1

Neat.....I'll have to get some of those in 1.5 and try them out.

I greatly appreciate it. This will save me going to a specialist and having some created at high dollar pricing.

[M2CattleCo]

My transition back to a 1911 from Glock and Sig for years has showed me that a light, crisp trigger is a bitch to shoot. My 1911s back in the day were all setup with rolling break triggers and were supremely easy to shoot.

It's taken me a LOT of rounds to get my performance up to an acceptable level at the 25 yard line and I still think it takes a ridiculous amount of effort to shoot well. I have to use the trigger as a two stage or there is nothing even resembling a group.

IMO a (truly) crisp trigger is a handicap on a pistol.

[Doc_Glock]

My transition back to a 1911 from Glock and Sig for years has showed me that a light, crisp trigger is a bitch to shoot. My 1911s back in the day were all setup with rolling break triggers and were supremely easy to shoot.

It's taken me a LOT of rounds to get my performance up to an acceptable level at the 25 yard line and I still think it takes a ridiculous amount of effort to shoot well. I have to use the trigger as a two stage or there is nothing even resembling a group.

IMO a (truly) crisp trigger is a handicap on a pistol.

Interesting you should say this as I put 4,000 rounds through two 1911s with similar crisp triggers and was fairly shocked at how badly I shot them. Especially given how short the trigger travel is. TLG, mentions this as well in his Springfield 1911 endurance test.

I thought 1911s were supposed to the classic bullseye pistol?

[M2CattleCo]

Bullseye 1911s don't have crisp triggers.

As soon as I get an opportunity my 1911s are going to a good bullseye 'smith to have the triggers corrected.

[spinmove_]

Bullseye 1911s don't have crisp triggers.

As soon as I get an opportunity my 1911s are going to a good bullseye 'smith to have the triggers corrected.

If they don’t have crisp triggers, what kind of triggers do they have? If a crisp trigger isn’t conducive to shooting precisely with less effort, then why is it a desirable trait?

Not trying to be a smartass, I’m genuinely curious.


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[M2CattleCo]

Bullseye guns generally have rolling triggers. It's super smooth creep. I've always described it as a baby tiny double action trigger pull.

Super crisp trigger jobs are present on 1911s because they're easy to achieve, people expect it, and untrained/inexperienced shooters will generally do best with them.

$3K pistols are generally sold to people with more money than sense. Bullseye shooters and serious hangun guys are the outliers.

[JohnO]

Might as well add a little perspective on the process of doing it well and improving performance.

I’ve worked with a number of people helping them tighten their 25 yard groups. What I found to be the most helpful is getting them to understand proper sight alignment. http://www.bullseyepistol.com/chapter2.htm

I stress the difference between parallel and angular deviation. Stop looking back and forth from the target to the sights. Place the front sight on the target then concentrate on perfecting the sight alignment and maintaining it through the trigger break.

I will usually demo the difference between parallel and angular deviation by shooting up close (3 yards) then taking it back to 10 yards. I’ll fire a string at both distances while moving the pistol in a figure 8. Demonstrating that the group size doesn’t open up as long as the relationship between front and rear sight is maintained. Also shoot at both distances with improperly aligned sights to demonstrate how angular deviation degrades performance as distance increases. Often they get the hint that sight alignment is more important than sight picture especially as distance from the target increases.

Additionally I recommend dry fire and holding drills especially for folks with trigger control or anticipation issues.



You don’t have to do hours of dry fire every day. Even a couple of quality sessions a few times a week will reap benefits.

25 yard bullseye shooting is a mental exercise. Any loss of focus on the everything you must be doing correctly will be reflected on the target.

[Doc_Glock]

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/chapter2.htm

I have read through that entire online document in the past and really found it helpful.

[Doc_Glock]

Bullseye guns generally have rolling triggers. It's super smooth creep. I've always described it as a baby tiny double action trigger pull.

Super crisp trigger jobs are present on 1911s because they're easy to achieve, people expect it, and untrained/inexperienced shooters will generally do best with them.

Thanks for explaining. I did not know any of that. I always assumed a 1911 was supposed to have the glass rod type trigger. A little take up, crisp break, little over travel, short reset.

[JHC]

Thanks for explaining. I did not know any of that. I always assumed a 1911 was supposed to have the glass rod type trigger. A little take up, crisp break, little over travel, short reset.

I have two 1911s with triggers set up by Dave Sams. One is a full build of his and the other a customized SA Operator. Both have very crisp triggers that break at 4-4.5 lbs. Sams is quite something in bullseye circles. I will ask him about that next time we speak.

Once I got heavily habituated to Glock triggers across many years it did get tricky to shoot 1911 triggers with precision. But with practice it came back.