Last time I checked, "sounds an awful lot like..." and "are" are not the same thing. Further clarification can be described under rule 1.1.5.Originally Posted by orionz06
The intent is to have a realistic COF, as much as is possible in a limited safe range venue.
And comparing IDPA rules to something a "drunk uncle at the reunion" made up is insulting. It may not be what YOU like, or it may not be the realistic gun game you want it to be, but no reason to lower it to that level.
Cody
That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
There are pretty big differences between the Code of Conduct in the rulebook and the S&W one. Like this:
Or thisI will not communicate with others in a threatening, harassing or abusive manner, and will not engage in the use of off-color remarks and jokes or profanity during the course of my participation in the match. I will not physically touch another person participating in an IDPA event without their consent unless it is necessary to address an immediate safety issue.
The code of conduct in the rule book are basically guidelines for decent IDPA member conduct. I don't really have a problem with them. I have a problem with being told what I can and can't say about IDPA, what I can and can't wear to an IDPA match, and being told I have to promote IDPA "in the best light possible."I will represent my sport in a professional manner through my behavior and dress, in accordance with the standards established by the Match Director and Smith & Wesson.
I will refrain from disparagement or inappropriate criticism of IDPA or other shooting sports, their officials, and rules of match competition.
I will always be a champion for IDPA and promote IDPA in the best light possible.
I have been a huge booster for IDPA - I ran their social media for a while, it was the first shooting sport I ever played, and I believe that it is a net positive benefit for the shooting sports. My company is a match sponsor of Indoor and Outdoor Nationals, as well as state and regional matches. The S&W Code of Conduct is the sort of thing that pushes my automatic disobedience buttons, because in the words of my generation: "you're not the boss of me."
I honestly don't think that banning charging of sights is a BAD idea. I just don't think that that equipment rules should be something that MDs get to decide. They basically say in the announcement, "There is no rule against it, so we are going to make up our own."
By US, I mean the handgun shooting community and industry generally. I have no problem with people providing feedback in a respectful manner. It is the ridiculing and derogatory remarks that don't help. If you want to suggest that IDPA needs to change certain things, then just do that in a positive manner. And, some here have said exactly that IDPA should be avoided and USPSA is the only way. Some here have gone beyond that.
Participants in IDPA are building their skills, supporting the industry by buying products, enjoying the competition, and growing in their knowledge. If they want to go further, they move to USPSA and tactical training classes that are more practical. IDPA doesn't claim to be the be-all and end-all, but the place to begin.
Cody
That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
I get that is the current reality of the game, but they do attemp, however poorly at times, to add some level realism to it as a "tactical" scenario based game.
I think this is the underlying reason behind a lot of negative talk....including me. In the end I read the code and see if I can abide by it...and I can.
Cody
That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state;
Seems to me that the prior-restraint-on-speech rules are there because IDPA & S&W want lots of good video footage without having to bleep competitors (*cough*Caleb*cough) every 10 seconds. You know, so they can compete with "3-Gun Nation" for eyeballs.
That said, this totally rubs me the wrong way, and like Caleb said, firmly pushes my automatic-disobedience button. And I'm not just saying that because I have to crank up my internal filter to "11" when posting here because I casually deploy profanity the way Picasso used oil paints.
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Unless you are on the Super Squad the chance of you getting video taped is quite low. I've known matches where shooting media like Shooting USA and all that were there, and not a single minute was filmed of a division champion shooting because someone outside Super Squad won it.
I will say that they had much the same code of conduct thingy for the BUG Match, and that didn't seem to stop anyone from having fun. It's mostly a tool that they can use if they need to eject someone for unruly behavior. Which I've seen!
Can you? Are you a champion for IDPA always? What about when you're talking about things other than shooting sports?
Above, where you describe doing USPSA or training as "going further" sounds reasonable, but not the "best possible light" you could have used to promote IDPA, no?
Speech codes suck. They are vague and unprincipled.
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