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    Bill Drill times ?

    what is an epxert time for the Bill Drill ?

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    Not from concealment: <= 2 seconds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saym16 View Post
    what is an epxert time for the Bill Drill ?
    Major or minor PF?

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    Have to define expert, but I have heard a USPSA master class time, presumably open carry, is 2.0. Think Gabe told me 1.53 is Stoeger's PR, as a data point.

    My formula for 2.0 is a .90 draw and five, .22 splits.
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Riehl View Post
    Major or minor PF?
    You really think that matters?

    To the OP: I've been chasing a consistent sub 2.00 Bill Drill for a while, to the point where I finally gave up on it. From concealment with a wheelgun, I can consistently get between 2.20-2.40. The hardest part for me is trigger freeze. The fastest clean Bill Drill I ever shot was 1.89 with a Colt 1911 shooting factory FMJ at about a 190 power factor. The second fastest was a 1.92 with a Glock 34.
    I shot the PX4 before it was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caleb View Post
    You really think that matters?
    Well, yeah.

    What am I missing? Why wouldn't a 210PF 10mm 1911 take longer than a 160 45ACP PF out of a 1911?

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    Sub 2s.

    Major/minor, concealed/not, whatever:



    HK45, 230gr ball, aiwb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Riehl View Post
    Well, yeah.

    What am I missing? Why wouldn't a 210PF 10mm 1911 take longer than a 160 45ACP PF out of a 1911?
    Like Todd said, sub-2.00 seconds is all that matters. When you worry less about the numbers and more about the shooting, the numbers end up mattering less.
    I shot the PX4 before it was cool.

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    thanks all - 2 seconds gives me a target.

    I'll begin without concealment, shooting 9mm factory loads. based on past draws and split times I am probably around 2.65 sec.

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    Huh. I thought the Bill Drill was an exercise to help in sight tracking skills during recoil. Where'd the 2 sec thing come from?

    In any advent, I'm still not seeing why more recoil won't effect split times.

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