USPSA Newb in training, please help...

[BaiHu]

Depends on the club/range... We require it since I need to vet out that folks who are coming to matches have some experience...

Found your scores: http://www.obcats.com/portal/viewpage.php?page_id=10

THANKS!!

Turns out my memory wasn't too bad. I'm #9 in stage 1. For some reason my score for stage 4 is omitted
I'll have to inquire about that

ETA: What's odd to me, b/c I don't understand the scoring, is in Stage #2 I made all 80 pts, but it doesn't show that I had 100% of all the pts in the stage. However, the #1 guy had 76 pts and he was shown as getting 100% of the stage's points??

[PPGMD]

Depends on the club/range... We require it since I need to vet out that folks who are coming to matches have some experience...

Here is the million dollar question, is that allowed in the rules?

Many people seem to forget that local rules require approval from HQ in USPSA, which makes them effectively banned in USPSA as HQ rarely approves local rules.

[JeffJ]

THANKS!!

Turns out my memory wasn't too bad. I'm #9 in stage 1. For some reason my score for stage 4 is omitted
I'll have to inquire about that

ETA: What's odd to me, b/c I don't understand the scoring, is in Stage #2 I made all 80 pts, but it doesn't show that I had 100% of all the pts in the stage. However, the #1 guy had 76 pts and he was shown as getting 100% of the stage's points??

The winner of the stage gets 100% of the stage points and then stage points are distributed based on percentage of the winner. What most likely happened is that the guy who got 76 pts was faster than you and therefore his Hit Factor was higher. Hit Factor is points/time, it is basically an efficiency measurement.

For example, an A is worth 5 points, if we both shoot a stage with 1 target and both shoot an A, then we both receive 5 points which is 100% of the points on that stage. However, time is also a factor, so lets say I take 5 seconds and you take 10 seconds - my hit factor is 1 (5 points/5 seconds) and your hit factor is .5 (5 points/10 seconds). If we are the only 2 competitors, I would receive 100% of the stage points, and you would receive 50% of the stage points.

Hit factor scoring rewards efficiency, its a measure of points per second. So in your match, the other shooter dropped 4 points which was probably 2 C zone hits instead of A zone, but was able to do it a little faster than you and edged you out on the points per second.

It took me a while for HF scoring to "click" but really I think it's a good way to measure scores, especially shooting minor it makes fast and accurate both pretty important.

[punkey71]

If memory serves, whoever wins the stage based on hit factor wins ALL the stage points.

Your stage points are based on a percentage of the stages first place finisher. If the stage was worth 100 points the winner (based in hit factor) gets 100 points. If your hit factor was 75% of theirs you would get 75 stage points.

THANKS!!

Turns out my memory wasn't too bad. I'm #9 in stage 1. For some reason my score for stage 4 is omitted
I'll have to inquire about that

ETA: What's odd to me, b/c I don't understand the scoring, is in Stage #2 I made all 80 pts, but it doesn't show that I had 100% of all the pts in the stage. However, the #1 guy had 76 pts and he was shown as getting 100% of the stage's points??

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[Mr_White]

I managed to make it through unscathed today despite the freezing conditions of my first match.

The match had 7 stages and called for 180 rounds IIRC.

Negatives:
1. Sub 30 degree weather and somewhere near 10 with the wind chill.
2. Had more clothes on than I would have liked in order to stay warm.
3. Had to wear gloves or risk not being able to move my hands at all.
4. Had a disastrous 2nd stage, because I lost track of the stage movement and 2 shots were just difficult given my height. I had 1 No Shoot, 2 Misses and 4 C's. I think my hit factor was 1.9
5. The 5th stage I was cranking, but I couldn't slow down when I needed to and I ended up with 4 C's, 2 D's and 2 Misses. Hit factor was near 2.5

Positives:
1. First match I had only 2 C's and a hit factor just over 3. From what someone told me, that was a decent balance of speed and accuracy. I'll take it for my first of 7 stages.
2. The 3rd stage I had all A's and had a hit factor just over 3.
3. In the end, since I was 1 of 2 new shooters in our group of 10 and 2 guys got DQ'd, I couldn't complain.
4. The rest of my stages were in the pocket for me. About a 3 in hit factor and I hung around 1-4 C's.
5. IIRC, I must have hit the A zones about 80% or higher.

I hope I can get a copy of the results. I have no clue if that's possible. See if my memory was close to my report.


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But did you have a good time? Will you compete more in the future?

Sure sounds like you did well shooting a safe match in the face of cold weather, extra clothing, and gloves.

In any case, congratulations on putting yourself out there and getting started!

[BaiHu]

It took me a while for HF scoring to "click" but really I think it's a good way to measure scores, especially shooting minor it makes fast and accurate both pretty important.

Your stage points are based on a percentage of the stages first place finisher. If the stage was worth 100 points the winner (based in hit factor) gets 100 points. If your hit factor was 75% of theirs you would get 75 stage points.

Savvy. Thanks, I do recall that being told to me during the safety briefing, but my teeth were chattering too much to put it in the long-term memory bank

But did you have a good time? Will you compete more in the future?

Sure sounds like you did well shooting a safe match in the face of cold weather, extra clothing, and gloves.

In any case, congratulations on putting yourself out there and getting started!

Yes, despite freezing my arse off.
Yes, despite looking to understand the differences b/w IDPA/USPSA/KSTG. I think the USPSA method is not how I think about approaching 'bad guys'. So much so that I got a bizarre compliment that went like this:

RO: You a cop?
Me: No, but is this a 'good cop' compliment or a 'bad cop' complement.
RO: Good. You're methodical and you compress and drive your gun from target to target like a SWAT guy and despite you knowing the stage, you still act like the threats are new or real. If you want to get a higher hit factor, speed up and don't hit as many Alphas.
Me: Thanks and I'm good just going for Alphas and taking a little more time right now.
RO: Then you're doing fine.

From what I gather, IDPA/KSTG are more mentality. Perhaps that's another thread that has already been covered, but maybe worth revisiting

Thanks for all of your input and encouragement.

[BaiHu]

One last question for all of you. Why am I listed in the first 10 places? There were about 60+ guys yesterday. Does this mean I was in the top 10 of all of the production guys?? FYI: I'm not fishing for a compliment, I just don't know at all what I'm looking at-LOL!

[JeffJ]

Looks like you were 10 out of 10 in production, one guy has all 0s and 2 DQs, so 13 production shooters, 2 DQs one guy either left early or didn't show up or something. I'm seeing 42nd overall which is really pretty good for Production with only 13 prod. shooters. The extra reloads and minor scoring can really beat you up on combined results, which is why they aren't official, but everybody always looks at them

Really it looks pretty good for your first match, got a lot of points, not too many penalties.

This is, of course, assuming that I correctly figured out your real name on the score sheets.

Part of shooting style is probably more "tactical" vs. "gamer" part of it is match conditioning too. Even if you keep shooting more "cop like" your stage dissections will improve as you shoot more matches.

[BaiHu]

Looks like you were 10 out of 10 in production, one guy has all 0s and 2 DQs, so 13 production shooters, 2 DQs one guy either left early or didn't show up or something. I'm seeing 42nd overall which is really pretty good for Production with only 13 prod. shooters. The extra reloads and minor scoring can really beat you up on combined results, which is why they aren't official, but everybody always looks at them

Really it looks pretty good for your first match, got a lot of points, not too many penalties.

This is, of course, assuming that I correctly figured out your real name on the score sheets.

Part of shooting style is probably more "tactical" vs. "gamer" part of it is match conditioning too. Even if you keep shooting more "cop like" your stage dissections will improve as you shoot more matches.

Thanks. It's Darren and how did you find the 42nd overall? If this part of the thread needs to be moved, lemme know mods.

[Mr_White]

Thanks. It's Darren and how did you find the 42nd overall? If this part of the thread needs to be moved, lemme know mods.

Here are the combined overall (all divisions listed together) results where you can see the 42nd.

http://www.obcats.com/obcats-scores/...0divisions.htm

Here are the overall Production results where you can see the 10th.

http://www.obcats.com/obcats-scores/...Production.htm

I also saw your results omitted on stage 4. From eyeballing it, if you finished mid-pack on that stage, I would guess you'd move up about two places or so in the Production results to 8th or so. But it depends on how you did on that stage.