Beretta 1301 Tactical

[JodyH]

Looked like Benelli was the way to go except fro a few things:

1) Cost more than I wanted to spend, especially when you roll in the 922r upgrades, Yipes it's expensive!
2) The button that drops the shells onto the carrier I saw as unnecessary and maybe a means in a confrontation for a round to not be readily available.
3) Little on the heavy side
4) Even though it autoregulates, seems to not do well with practice type loads.

1) Yup... M4 plus accessories is expensive as hell.
2) That button makes slug select/de-select and "cruiser ready" super fast and easy.
3) I don't find it to be that heavy, but then again I'm not going to be carrying it all day across the tundra.
4) My M4 eats everything I've tried to feed it, from the cheap WalMart aluminum head #8's up to some monster Brenneke slugs.

[GJM]

If the shotgun is really for your wife, get a Benelli M2 20 gauge. If it is really for you, get a M2 12 gauge, and buy her reduced power loads when she shoots it.

[les_garten]

If the shotgun is really for your wife, get a Benelli M2 20 gauge. If it is really for you, get a M2 12 gauge, and buy her reduced power loads when she shoots it.

It would not be for her. She would come into play in a "Dire" emergency only. Dire meaning, I need more than one person or more wielding weapons. It would be mine mainly for fun. My first grab choice for HD shotgun is 590A1.

[SLG]

I'd still vote for the 20.

[Colt191145lover]

I'd still vote for the 20.

I would like to hear more about your thoughts on this please .

[les_garten]

It looks like the 930 SPX pukes it's guts up as well as the 1301, are there any more that exhibit this behavior?

[JodyH]

As soon as Mesa releases their Urbino w/pistol grip for the 1301 I'll be revisiting the Beretta to see if I can turn it into a Murphy resistant fighting shotgun.

[SLG]

I would like to hear more about your thoughts on this please .

I use a 12 gauge because that's how it's always been. Many trainers have said that a full load of 20 is probably no different than a 12, except the guns are lighter and handier, and they have less recoil. GJM has been setting up a 20g M2 for bear use, and it made me rethink my own use. I have switched to slugs only for my 12's, so in that case, a 20 makes even more sense. I like having a gun that is lighter, handier, recoils less and still shoots slugs. 20g slugs MAY penetrate better as well, though I have not seen any testing.

If you prefer a #1 or tactical buck load, then I would stay with the 12. I just really like what the 20 with slugs offers right now.

[Colt191145lover]

Thanks for the clarification!

[GJM]

Here is the formula for sectional density (with an example for 230 ball in .45 ACP):

M
7000 ÷ d2 = sectional density

Step 1:
Divide M (M = bullet weight in grains) by 7000:

230 ÷ 7000 = 0.033

Step 2:
Determine d2 (d2 = the square of bullet diameter in inches):

0.451 x 0.451 = 0.203

Step 3:
Divide the quotient of step 1 by the product of step 2:

0.033 ÷ 0.203 = sectional density of 0.163 for the 230 ball in .45 ACP




A 1 1/8 ounce 12 gauge Brenneke Classic Magnum has sectional density of .1350 (.070*.5184)

A 1 ounce 20 gauge Brenneke slug has sectional density of .1666 (.062*.372) or about 23% more than the 12 gauge.

Not really impressive by good rifle standards, as a .308 with a 150 grain has SD of .226, and a .338 with a 225 grain has SD of .281. However, the 20 gauge is shooting a 437 grain .61 diameter projectile at 1,437 fps, and the 12 gauge Brenneke Classic Magnum a 491 grain .72 diameter projectile at 1,434 fps. Since my use is bear defense, I am likely shooting at 15-20 yards and in, so the ultimate question is will a Brenneke slug penetrate the skull of a brown bear from any probable angle.

In terms of shooting quickly and accurately, the 12 gauge Brenneke in the M2 feels close to a .375 in recoil, where the 20 gauge Brenneke in a M2 feels more like an AR pattern .308.

Lots of good info here:


http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/filea...atalog2014.pdf