Beretta 1301 Tactical

[Coyotesfan97]

I’ve got one on the way from Buds. I just ordered the shroud from Tom. I’m looking forward to shooting this gun and doing some of the upgrades in this thread.

[Unobtanium]

FWIW, I’ll provide shrouds for free (or at most my cost plus shipping) to any LE agency that needs them.

ETA: BUSA will do the same for they variant they produce.

Good for you. It literally could save a life, for very little on your part, comparatively! It's nice when you can find an easy way to prevent a tragedy!

[GyroF-16]

Is that the white chevron, or the luminescent one? I’m considering one of these with a tritium dot, and am debating between the two colors. If it’s luminescent, how well is it glowing for you? And how is the contrast/visibility in daylight?

Received and installed my blitzkrieg front sight. https://www.blitzkriegcomponents.com...s.asp?Cat=1826 I have not shot it yet with the sight but it looks good and is very easy to pick up when mounting the gun or swinging to change targets, etc.

It is a bit of a fiddly install and i used a Craftsman "Midget" wrench in 7/32 to do the job. I also used a little piece of magnetic tape to hold the nut on the wrench so I could get it started.
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View through the Ghost ring rear
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View from above the barrel
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So far so good hopefully I will get to shoot the gun very soon for the maiden voyage of this front sight.

[Hambo]

Great to have a Beretta rep here. With the fix and other new stuff I'm a buyer.

About choke tubes. I don't know but I have an addiction to them. You probably don't need them with buckshot, until your fixed choke barrel doesn't pattern well with buckshot. I've had it happen with barrel from the same maker and apparently so has Tom Givens, because I've heard him say you should sell barrels that don't pattern. So I see it as a plus, and I probably already have tubes for it.

[PGT]

What's the ETA on the Aridus CROM for RMR? I've got one on the shelf waiting as well as a Magpul stock.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

What's the ETA on the Aridus CROM for RMR? I've got one on the shelf waiting as well as a Magpul stock.

I’m sure Adam will wonder by @ some point but as a selfish prick I’m hopeful that the Zhukov forend gets released on X day & the RMR mount on Y.

That said IIRC he posted earlier this yr. on MyFace that those two projects were both in the pipeline for a March/April release.

[PGT]

Thanks! I have so many projects half-done, I like to knock them out.

[e_stern]

In regards to chokes and buckshot:

Chokes do not necessarily give you better patterns with buckshot.

One of the primary reasons why buckshot spreads out is because of contact between the pellets as they are moving down the bore. Soft lead pellets tend to flat-spot when fired, and that also causes them to fly erratically. So with a cheap buckshot load like the aforementioned S&B 9 pellet 00 load, the pellets are slammed into one another from the moment of ignition and they're smacking into each other as they are being pushed out the bore. Then they hit the open air and fly erratically and as a result that load tends to pattern badly in most shotguns.

Some of this can be alleviated with various tricks. 8 pellet 00 loads tend to pattern better than 9 pellet loads because it allows for arranging the individual pellets with less contact between the pellets. Grex is used to cushion individual pellets from one another to reduce flat-spotting. Federal's Flight Control ammunition uses plated pellets that resist deformation better, and contains them in a wad that is designed to keep the pellets corralled longer before stripping away from the payload. In my shooting I've found FC wads stuck in the target inches from the shot payload at 25 yards.

Chokes can actually cause more contact between pellets, which can result in poorer patterning. Carlson's makes an aftermarket choke specifically for buckshot that is supposed to perform very well, but I've never tried it.

Addressing the forcing cone of the barrel is often a superior tactic for improving the patterning of a specific barrel. I've had the forcing cone on my humble pie 870 touched up by a local smith and that gun now shoots the S&B buckshot I mentioned very well even at 20 yards. Before that work it was a total shitshow at anything over 10.

So while chokes are nice, I'm not terribly concerned about the ability to have one in my 1301T for the reasons I'm using it. (Defense and instruction) Although now I am thinking about calling Briley up and seeing if they might be willing to do some work on the 1301T's barrel for me...

Tim,

FWIW, all Beretta 1301 Barrels (fixed and removable choke both) are backbored from the factory. That's our "Optima" system.

The new ones combine that with varying constrictions, so you will probably notice better results than you might with a simple constriction change with cheap buckshot on a non backbored barrel.

I have found that our Optima barrels with removable chokes tend to run better with tighter constrictions and cheap 00 than expected, but as with everything, YMMV and I'd strongly suggest testing each and every individual prospective load prior to use.

When I get some time I'll get down to our tube and pattern a few non FC 00 loads with a new 1301T and a Modified choke and post the results.

-Erik

[willie]

Both men hit the nail on the head with accurate and verifiable statements. Pellet deformation is the number one disruptor of buckshot patterns. For many years Browning shotguns have been back bored to improve patterns. Mossberg 835 Ulti Mag pump gun barrels are back bored to the extent that the barrels warn against slug use. It appears that the Beretta 1301 is America's best buy in defense shotguns. I plan to buy one soon. I just can't help it.

[Unobtanium]

Tim,

FWIW, all Beretta 1301 Barrels (fixed and removable choke both) are backbored from the factory. That's our "Optima" system.

The new ones combine that with varying constrictions, so you will probably notice better results than you might with a simple constriction change with cheap buckshot on a non backbored barrel.

I have found that our Optima barrels with removable chokes tend to run better with tighter constrictions and cheap 00 than expected, but as with everything, YMMV and I'd strongly suggest testing each and every individual prospective load prior to use.

When I get some time I'll get down to our tube and pattern a few non FC 00 loads with a new 1301T and a Modified choke and post the results.

-Erik

The 1301T is not back-bored.