Do any of you knifey stabby ECQB folks advocate this style of knife for defensive/offensive purposes? They just seem like they'd be great at cutting people. I found these http://www.dlttrading.com/brk-kar-ruffbuff.html and being such a huge fan boy of Bark River, I'm finding it very hard to pass. These are an extremely limited run & will easily sell for more than they cost if it turned out I hated it.
Last edited by WDW; 10-28-2013 at 07:50 PM.
There is a fighting style, I believe Indonesian based, taught by Steve Tarani (http://www.karambit.com/about-steve-tarani/) that uses the karambit. Most (but not all) of the techniques require the defender to be unpleasantly close to the attacker. If your nature draws you in that direction, Steve has a sterling reputation and his Art is fully functional.
Thanks. Don't all encounters require the defender to be close though when using a knife?Originally Posted by Peaceful John
The ECQC folks do not like Karambits.
(Hey! Why am I angry? I got an angry emoticon, but I am really not!)
You would do better with ECQC questions on SouthNarcs forum this is mostly a gunboard:
http://www.totalprotectioninteractive.com/forum/
Here is the one post I remember best about Karambits
Its from Byron who is active both here and at TPI
http://www.totalprotectioninteractiv...3&postcount=17
I was really obsessed with rings on knives for a while: LaGriffes, Kerambits, HAKs, even bird & trout knives. Once one of those things is secure in your hand, it takes a hell of a lot to knock them loose: a quality that I loved.
But try as I might, I've never been able to deploy a ring knife (of any kind) as easily as a more "standard" handle during stress (whether timer, pressure, IFWA, etc). When deploying a ring knife, my initial grip acquisition is always just a hair slower and requires more fine motor control / awareness.
Without looking, I can easily grasp a standard handle while sheathed. When a ring is added to the design, the beginning of my drawstroke starts with the handle grab, but requires an extra step of physically "finding" the ring with my finger(s).
The obvious answer, of course, is more practice. But when I was still obsessed with them, believe me: I did. I definitely refined my drawstroke over time, but there was still always a chance that I would fumble the initial finger placement into the ring.
The fact that this sheath covers the entire handle and only leaves the ring accessible makes this a very unappealing package for me. I'm not saying it's bad; I'm not saying it's "wrong"; it just doesn't appeal to me.
Just found this post from Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
http://www.totalprotectioninteractiv...92&postcount=5
I do know that SouthNarc does like Ban Tang's Universal Grip Dager which can be held in an Karambit like grip.
I like the kerambit ring for quick access, but don't really like the kerambit blades at all. After my cheapie Emerson Red Chinese folder kerambit knock-off (literally $9.95!) met an unfortunate fate at the hands of the TSA (a stupid story not worth the telling) I actually went out and bought a genuine Emerson because I couldn't find another knock-off and despite the really high price, I really like the draw because it is really fast and for me I believe in it better than pinch gripping while in an adrenal state the way most folders require.
Recently a friend of mine showed me an Emerson "Bull Pup" (or something like that) which has a kerambit type ring and a straight blade in line with the handle. Perfect for me for Pakal EO, but-- bummer!-- no longer being offered by Emerson.
Recently I was visiting Ernie Emerson at his new factory here in LA and mentioned this and he dug up a very similar "CQC-7 Kerambit SF"-- which also is no longer offered.
This has become my new EDC and I like it A LOT. Ernie tells me they will probably offer it again some day.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...Grip-Implement
Last edited by nycnoob; 10-28-2013 at 09:15 PM.
I can see the grip being an issue in some designs, but this one has a full grip. The ring could be ignored if needed.
I have studied some FMA in the past. The ring is an integral part of how you use a Karambit you flip the knife around the ring to get "extension". I have trouble finding a clear photo on the internet but you can see it hereReach down and extend into the groin for a quick hook and pull!
http://kenpokarambit.info/technique2.html
If you did not use the ring then you just have a curved blade. The FMA people did have some cool techniques that only worked with curved blades but I am sure the ECQC people would find them way too fiddly for practical use. Mostly it was about "getting around" a straight blade, so it assumes that your opponent has a knife and that you want to "dance" with him. This is far from the ECQC view of the world.
Truth be told, I really only want this because of who makes it. I'm confident I could cause damage with it if needed. After all, i do have a brown belt in MCMAP. 😂😂😂😂😂
That counts for something right?
I like the Karambit. I carry the old out of stock 5.11 CUB Master a lot, along with my new Clinch Pick.
At the risk of being Captain Obvious, it's very important to get some solid professional instruction with one. (I know, one should seek professional instruction on all deadly weapons). But with a Karambit, you are going to do bad things to yourself really fast.
I'm a big fan of Steve Tarani if you want to get trained with one, or with dang near any other edged weapon.
The thing I like most about a Karambit is the difficulty someone would have disarming me. Honestly, the best way to disarm someone carrying one is to shoot them in the face. A long of the other techniques are easily mitigated.
My very junior low man on the totem pole opinion. But I've been carrying and practicing with one for about a year now, and like it a great deal.
Then get it. I own a bunch of cool knives (including Karambits). Get stuff you like no matter what other people say. The first time I met SN he saw my collection of training knives and laughed, they were not his style, so what, I like em.
Awesome!!!! I'm going to get this & I will be sure to post pictures of my impending self inflicted puncture wounds & lacerations that are sure to occur once I start playing with this thing.
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