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But, a .357 that frags some and at that velocity is actually contributing some...some to the wound path especially first few inches...so 1. Faster blood loss then a slower projectile 2. In...

[QUOTE=MK11;1573486]In addition to the big scary noise and bright flash it could be that a 125 grain hollow point violently fragmenting at less than 12 to 18 inches but still going deep enough to...

Thanks, I believe I could learn DAK pretty well though not as nice as LEM, as a few months ago I handled a 239 DAK, but not ready to get into .357 Sig (unless that's like an under $380 buy now)...

Lol, originally thread idea was mine and I got jacked.... so sorry on my end...I've debated a p239 in 40 for a couple years now

Regarding shipping you used to be able to get someone to ship it for...

I am interested in that. Other one is Actual ship costs, which I believe nowadays for none ffls is like 95$ is that correct so kills the deals out there after theft and transfer...

Metal .40 or...

My understanding is the Browning 25 32 and until the late run of 380s are not drop safe to be carried chamber loaded.

Have you had an Ortgies? They look cool not sure how safe w the grip safety...

Is there a Short fuse thread for those blocky semi automatic pistols?...
I'm following a few cool odd ones that I am not going to jump on

There is another youtuber AZ Airgunner that makes Organic vids, but 4 layer tshirt. His results with duty loads are often 11.5-13" Pen. Another one too but not sure if his blocks are always right...

At close to contact distances it wouldn't be only Bang, sometimes flash, but actually feeling the blast hit clothes/chest whatever. A Real 4D experience telling their brain dohlt done messed up now....

Please bare with me, my keyboard is malfing and some letters very much so.

I've done some night shoots. I've shot some plus p plus pitch black and .357 nearly so and sometimes 1 of 6 will give a...

And that seems to have been the best respected and hottest of those 125 gr sjhp loads yet FBI testing was 11.7" of heavy clothing penetration which makes you wonder. The round that was often...

Thank you going through them now!

OK thank you much, appreciate any real world knowledge I can gain on the subject. If there are any particular old threads that dump a lot of your observations please let me know what to search for. ...

Looking now, thank you

Behind Blue, for clarity, I believe you investigated a lot of shootings in a decent sized city is that correct? Can I ask what the weather/layers of clothing was like in that state typically...Ie...

Yes, I've read that stuff from the ME.

I'm told some LE Departments will in fact be fine with less than 12" in exchange for larger expansion. 9bple was used by everyone pretty successfully even...

Hello,
Yes, I have read all stickies here and other forums, read notes from Mas over the years etc. but I would like more reports from people on here that are very experienced, saw a lot, did a...

Thank you for re-joining this thread. I appreciate your time.

I'm aware that #1 is adequate penetration for the expected situations or job description
#2 Expansion
I thought this gave you the...

Thank you very very much for this!

Punch tested in G43 and performed great fyi

Thank you, I will have to compare tomorrow to some of the rounds you gave earlier in the thread. Ie looking for 124+P HST vs 147 HST (and would love the eke on 9bple or other 115+p+ to compare), and...

Too complicated way too many parts, break often

Also, worse grip angle break than a glock or steyr pistol

So one day may break down get a steyr pistol for when needing Sci Fi vibes...as those...

Whether you set you Penetration Parameter minimum at 11" or 12" or 13"

It would be nice if in different Calibers, and averages of say 5 rounds of the various bullet weights Light/Medium/Heavy were...

Hello Sir,
It was only early on in the thread that you included the E15 EKE data..

With the .327 Gold Dot and the 230+P is where a fairly large increase of EKE is present or the larger negative...

Quick Search on G30 velocities from different posters

"Out of a factory G30 barrel, standard velocity Speer Gold Dot 230 gr., 5 shot average of 808 fps, ES 46, SD 17. Out of the same barrel,...