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    I think this is a pretty weak straw man argument....

    I think this is a pretty weak straw man argument. There are no facts in evidence that suggest that anyone practices a specific draw ten thousand times and then expects to pull off something...
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    Did it look like Cory did thousands of...

    Did it look like Cory did thousands of repetitions? It looked like only a few to me.

    There are loads of criticisms that people lob at different techniques, and one that constantly gets lobbed at...
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    Yeah yeah - only Sith deal in absolutes. I get...

    Yeah yeah - only Sith deal in absolutes. I get that.

    However, I'm just trying to take the "early trigger pull" out of the context of the discussion. It just doesn't seem relevant based on what Mr....
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    I'm no expert, but I know the people I know who...

    I'm no expert, but I know the people I know who shoot da/sa guns say the same thing - get sights on target, pull trigger. In that order. Probably some bad shooters with da/sa guns try to get on the...
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    I saw the post on Pistol-Training, and it seemed...

    I saw the post on Pistol-Training, and it seemed like it was a big "us vs. them" kind of thing. I didn't think that's where the discussion was headed. I also don't know of any IDPA instructors who...
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    He has lots of problems. No argument there. ...

    He has lots of problems. No argument there.

    But still, loads of classes with tactical dudes (you can count them on his website - there are a lot) left him with that dreadful draw. Just a few...
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    I don't think it's meant to be a jab. Also,...

    I don't think it's meant to be a jab.

    Also, when it comes to fighting is there a one-size-fits-all technique that works no matter what? Or do skilled fighters develop an arsenal of techniques to...
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    Are you of the opinion that his old technique...

    Are you of the opinion that his old technique would be faster than his new technique at twice the distance and half the target size?
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    Which do you think takes longer in terms of the...

    Which do you think takes longer in terms of the draw? The movement from holster to target or the picking up of the front sight?
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    Language is pretty problematic. Luckily we have...

    Language is pretty problematic. Luckily we have data and math to fall back on. In the case of Cory, it would be difficult to argue that his "new" draw in the video wasn't better than his old one. I...
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    I don't think the metaphors really advance the...

    I don't think the metaphors really advance the discussion at all. You saw what happened when someone compared drawing to walking. It wasn't helpful and it just lends itself to setting up straw men to...
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    First, I don't think it's fair to cherry pick a...

    First, I don't think it's fair to cherry pick a still shot of the student to criticize the method of the instructor. Avery's instructions regarding trigger control were not to get on the trigger...
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    Very interesting. I thought another key...

    Very interesting. I thought another key ingredient of the press-out is seeing the sights as soon as possible, hence the path the gun takes during this technique. While very interesting, the above...
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    Agreed. But, perhaps it would be better to PM...

    Agreed. But, perhaps it would be better to PM those individuals who are engaging in this behavior? Just a polite suggestion.

    edited by ToddG... For the second time in about a week: stop telling...
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    I agree that seeing the sights at some point...

    I agree that seeing the sights at some point before the gun is at full extension is a key to efficiency. But my understanding of the press-out is that they should be picked up really, really early,...
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    This thread is interesting. Here's my take: ...

    This thread is interesting. Here's my take:

    The Press-Out is an intermediate technique. I don't mean that in a negative way, as pretty much every technique is an intermediate technique. It's...
  17. The op didn't mention a press out in the first...

    The op didn't mention a press out in the first post, and I don't think a press out is the only way to get two hits on a 3x5 card at 7 yards.

    The press out is an interesting technique, but I don't...
  18. The common wisdom from the likes of Max Michel,...

    The common wisdom from the likes of Max Michel, Rob Leatham, et al, is to not change the speed of the draw depending on the difficulty of the shot. Get the pistol up and out fast, prep the trigger,...
  19. Yeah buddy! That's what I'm talking about. To...

    Yeah buddy! That's what I'm talking about.

    To be honest about 90% of the couples routines are about unrequited love and that get's pretty boring.
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    Fantastic advice on this thread. Daily dry fire...

    Fantastic advice on this thread. Daily dry fire (or live fire) practice means you're less cold when it counts, and it raises your overall skill level. It's win win in this case.
  21. Anyone else watch So You Think You Can Dance?

    I can't dance worth a lick, but I really respect the bluecollar beauty of dance, and this show really shows the amount of work and talent it takes to be a world-class dancer.

    And the girls aren't...
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    Sincere Apology

    To the members and staff of Pistol-Forum.com:

    I would like to offer a formal apology for the comments and actions that resulted in my banishment from this site for three days. I admit that I took...
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    I really don't think anyone is saying "just do it...

    I really don't think anyone is saying "just do it however you want until you get awesome." If anything people are saying "If it works for the best in the world, maybe it can work for you, too."
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    Very interesting stuff.

    Very interesting stuff.
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    Sorry to be annoying, but this post is pretty...

    Sorry to be annoying, but this post is pretty interesting.

    You mention that when moving and in a dynamic environment your "stance" isn't very stance-like. I totally agree. In fact, that's the...
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