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  1. Assuming the intended purpose is self defense...

    Assuming the intended purpose is self defense against deer-sized critters, I'd want the cylinder full of wadcutters at 650 ft/s:

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    And the speed loaders full of 200 grainers at 625 ft/s. ...
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    That depends on expansion. If it doesn't expand...

    That depends on expansion. If it doesn't expand it might look more like this:

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    Much less wound mass in the first 15". Probably less effective for, say, deer-sized game, but likely more...
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    Here's Fackler's wound profile for a 12 gauge...

    Here's Fackler's wound profile for a 12 gauge slug:

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    And an estimate of penetration and wound mass based on MacPherson's modeling:

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    To put the 158 grams of wound mass into...
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    Yes. At least to the vitals! 72330

    Yes. At least to the vitals!

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  5. Thread: 640-1 advice

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    Somewhere in Sixguns, Keith praises the strength...

    Somewhere in Sixguns, Keith praises the strength of the J-frame S&W and writes about putting 500 rounds of .38/44 ammo through a Centennial with no ill effects on the gun. The 640 is probably...
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    Is anyone really holding the ammo manufacturers...

    Is anyone really holding the ammo manufacturers accountable for misrepresentation? If so, how did they miss this:

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    Is there any accounting for the discrepancy...

    Is there any accounting for the discrepancy between these results...



    ...and the results posted by Brassfetcher shown below:

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    Sounds good! Could be a crowd-pleaser at next...

    Sounds good! Could be a crowd-pleaser at next week's Snubbyfest. PM coming your way.
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    Send me yours. I'll test it for you. ;)

    Send me yours. I'll test it for you. ;)
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    Maybe... But the Lucky Gunner tests showed the...

    Maybe... But the Lucky Gunner tests showed the 135 grain Gold Dots only penetrating 13.6" in C-B gel. With a calibration factor of 0.8 that translates to less than 11" in 10% ordnance gel. In...
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    Finally got a chance last week to do some...

    Finally got a chance last week to do some calibration testing of my own, specifically focused on the 110 grain WC and my own no-longer-very-Clear-Ballistic gel. Based on that testing, it looks like...
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    Good point. And I can see that I've been a...

    Good point. And I can see that I've been a regular offender. Sorry about that.

    Is "BG" an accepted abbreviation for "validated 10% ordnance gelatin?"
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    Thanks for the reply. But I have to apologize...

    Thanks for the reply.

    But I have to apologize for not being clear (no pun intended) in asking my question. No, I was asking about validated 10% ordinance gel. No Clear Ballistic product...
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    Thanks for all that info. A few more...

    Thanks for all that info.

    A few more questions:

    1) Are there specs for the AG? Or will any old cracked windshield serve?

    2) Am I right that the AG needs to be at 45 degrees to the bullet...
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    Assuming the quote above is a good-willed attempt...

    Assuming the quote above is a good-willed attempt to promote the technical discussion and not just a thinly veiled ad hominem potshot, I'll try to briefly address it point by point:

    1) Nope, not...
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    Given what you know about the physical...

    Given what you know about the physical characteristics of the simulant, the laws of physics, and the commotion created within the gel by the passage of the projectiles, can you imagine any possible...
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    I yet haven't read beyond this point. But thanks...

    I yet haven't read beyond this point. But thanks in advance both for not rejecting the duplex idea out of hand and for introducing something new to the thread.
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    There's a lot to chew on here -- some of it a bit tough. So, I'll just take a little bite at a time:
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    Here's another blast from the past: The original...

    Here's another blast from the past: The original Webley Manstopper with two multi-projectile "modern manstoppers" circa 1935. From a sketch by Hatcher in Textbook of Pistols and Revolvers, page 361....
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    Correction of miscalculation in my previous post

    the Schwartz has pointed out via PM that the penetration and wound mass numbers I reported in paragraph "1)" above for the Buffalo Bore .32 S&W Long cartridge are both incorrect. Of course, he's...
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    1) It sure looks like the .32 S&W Long,...

    1) It sure looks like the .32 S&W Long, especially with, say the Buffalo Bore load (100 grain .32 caliber WC at maybe 825 ft/s) is more potent than one-half a duplex load (say 100 grain .38 WC at 600...
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    You caught me! Not much gets past you.

    You caught me! Not much gets past you.
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    Just took a look at Buffalo Bore. They offer a...

    Just took a look at Buffalo Bore. They offer a hardcast 100 gr WC at about 900 ft/s. I don't know anything about smashing bones or windshields. But I'd bet if they're cast hard enough, those might...
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    You've made lots of good points. Sorry to take so...

    You've made lots of good points. Sorry to take so long to reply.

    I was surprised to see mention of .32 S&W Long and thought at first you had misread my posts. But I see now that I misread yours....
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    Sticky: Go ahead, make my day!

    Dagga Boy...

    I know this is an old thread. But I am (apparently) an "FNG" around here and I'm just seeing it, now. And it's made my day. Thanks!

    Gotta love it all -- the gun, the grips, the...
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