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No worries. Glad it was helpful. I'm hoping that the Magpul solves the issue, I suspect it will, it's a bit thicker and more rigid. I think I still prefer the VTAC for my normal carbines though. ...

I recently attended a class entitled "Urban Defense" put on by Paul Howe of CSAT. Below is the AAR for the class.

Paul Howe held an "Urban Defense Class" on Feb. 23-25th at his facility in...

I'm a fan of the Aimpoint PRO/CompM3 series.

The carbine I have set up for my wife (11.5" BCM) has an Aimpoint Pro. That said, my current HD carbine (16" BCM) does not have an optic on it. My...

I'm a yes on this.

I carry a G19.4, and I have a spare that is setup identically. Also have a G17.4 setup identically.

I do this for the reasons others have mentioned:

1. Ability to dry...

I've come to pretty much the same conclusion. My favorite carbine right now is my 12" SBR. I've shot it out to 400 yards using federal fusion, and it's a great setup.

To me, the 110gr Barnes Blacktip is what makes .300blk worth it to me.

A round that will reliably expand and penetrate, is barrier blind through common barriers. And has both those traits out...

PMAGs are super tough, and they work fantastic. But they are polymer, so how they old up 30 years from now is still unknown. So a small supply of aluminum USGI mags as a long term backup is a good...

I think you are on the right track going to an 8".

I setup a 10.3" for a similar purpose; spontaneous travel across state lines, concealed backpack setup (PDW), etc. It's technically setup as a...

I'm with you 100% on this. My (limited) experience with HD's leaves me liking the concept, but the POA\POI difference spoils it for me.

Always tough to answer a "which gun" thread, just because everyone is so different in what they like.

In my ideal world, my carry pistol would dictate what my training and competition pistols...

I like this approach, as it's guided by someone who has the knowledge and skill to help the novice shooter. Additionally, it helps give the novice shooter a basic foundation.

Unfortunately, too...

Not what I was saying at all. Point was he decided against the Glock based on one range trip when he had no real knowledge base, no way to evaluate what was a good choice.

Another friend just...

But their preference is based on ignorance. A new shooter doesn't "know" how a gun should point, about how the trigger should feel, or even what sights are best. What feels best during a brief range...

I used to recommend going to a range, trying several different pistols and choosing the one that an individual shoots best.

The problem is that a novice shooter isn't going to be consistent...

Much wisdom right here.

It's nice to be able to dry fire to my hearts content, without having to unload my carry pistol. It's also nice knowing, if I do have a failure during training, I have...

I will echo what others have said. I very much appreciate the info you have provided, not only here but at LF.net and other sites.

I'm glad that departments have the ability to get information...

To be fair, it was a bit of different time when you first did "the chart". There were very few companies that actually put out quality rifles at that time. Thing have changed, consumers are more...

Interesting topic and discussion really.

Trying to boil down what you are looking for, it seems you want something that;

- can be effectively suppressed
- has the capability ballistically to...

A lot of truth there. Going through it right now, yet again. Currently abandoning my full size M&P9's and replacing them with Glock 19's. Before the M&P's were 1911's, and before that were Glocks....

Just as a data point, not as a specific recommendation, I have no trouble hitting an 8" steel circle @ 400 yards with my VX-R Patrol 1.25-4x using 77gr handloads out of my 14.5" BCM lightweight. ...

No doubt most civilian defensive shooting happen at pistol range, so it makes sense to practice more with pistols than rifles. My current pistol to carbine rounds fired in practice ratio is about...

Considering the popularity of the Aimpoint Pro,I think the full size units still have some life left in them. That may be due to cost, but that is a valid factor.

I think that as other companies...

I wouldn't worry too much about lead build up on soft points. In theory it can cause issues, but that's over time with lots of rounds fired. The odds of having to fire that many rounds in any...

I asked the question over on LF a few months back, and the answer I got was that it was Ranger Bonded. That answer was confirmed then by Doc. Roberts.

That was something that was stressed at the class I was just at with Frank Proctor. He encouraged us to see more, the front sight in the rear sight and the target, and the relationship between all...