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So Runcible and I are working on a product for the PD that overlaps our needs damn near by 90%.
One of the issues we've both seen with our PD sheaths is the ability to easily account for the manufacturing variances while allowing for a good master grip, adequate retention, and practical concealment and attachments.
The stock PD leave very little room for adjustment unlike the Clinch Pick. What we've been able to do is get to a point where we can get the required adjustment and clearance with the range of current and future PD's.
Timeline is open still, it's still a work in progress, but it's on the front burner.
Looking forward to seeing what you're working on.
Since I hit yours with the heat gun that day we spoke, it's been great. Excellent retention but releases with a nice tug. (Definitely want to give some care while re-sheathing, though.) I also switched it back to being drawn by the support hand to increase my options.
Yeah, this is to avoid that. Actually have a customer, perhaps a poster here, with the same issue. Or the knives changed in production just enough to invalidate the current molds. Gotta find out when the last batch came in.
All of which is easily handled with the design we're working on.
Nice setup at a very reasonable price.
Wish I could’ve. I’ll have to wait on production models.
ShivWorks Products Group on IG says production El Niños hopefully later this year (I’ve heard that before...weather guys). So for folks who missed, save ‘dem pennies.
Looks like there are 3 of the prototypes in stock as of right now. I snagged one a few hours ago.
I got my El Niño prototype in the mail today and I have to say... they got it perfect.
I ordered one of the original push daggers when they came out and returned it because it was just too big to work well for me.
This is just enough smaller to conceal easily and still big enough to get a good grip. I actually think it feels better in my hand than the full size.
The new sheath is great too. I took it straight out of the box and clipped it to some athletic shorts and took the kid for a walk.
We just posted a few more El Ninos and trainers for sale.
Great news!
If anyone is on the fence, I say get one. I've been carrying mine almost daily. It's effectively perfect for the two specific roles I wanted:
1) AIWB carry in athletic shorts/pants for dog walking with minimal gear.
2) Pocket carry with the sheath mounted on a pocket shield dropped into the side pocket of my vest of jacket.
I find the El Niño works better than a Clinch Pick in these two roles, by being shorter in overall length (easier to conceal) and offering a very secure grip for the draw stroke. I'm much preferring it to a folder clipped to the waistband or a vertical oriented CP.
Is the El Nino single or double edged? In VA they specifically list a dagger ass being illegal. But their definition is double edged. If these are single edged, it sounds like they might be legal here.
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Single. But I would still carefully review state law and related cases, because if they've got a clause about "deadly weapons" or some such, you're likely to get jammed up. Not sure how a CCW might affect this.
https://www.akti.org/state-knife-laws/virginia/
Thank you. I was planning on doing a lot more research prior to purchasing, I just wanted to make sure it was single. If it was double, I wasn't going to bother since I know that would be illegal. I appreciate your concern, and unfortunately, the CHP won't help with that in VA.
Depending on your needs, the Clinch Pick or another more traditional fixed blade may work better for you?
The El Niño is great and I love mine, but it is a very specific role knife for me (gym shorts/lounge wear). Once I put on a pair of pants with belt loops, I go straight to a Clinch Pick.
Had to look into VA knife laws once and strongly suggest your research be thorough and you err on the side of caution in final choice. Relevant laws are open to a precipitously wide berth in interpretation.
If you plan to carry concealed, you'd do well to stick with a folder and a decidedly compact, civilized looking one that appears intended as a "tool" rather than a "weapon".
Let us know how it all shakes out...
Anyone have the weight of the El Nino available? I didn't see it on the Shivworks PG website.
Thank you Craig!
They show as in stock.
https://shivworkspg.com/product/shivworks-el-nino/
I opened my El Nino up when I got home from work this morning and it’s great. I still like my original push dagger, but this one is more compact with better grip texture, a finish that I like better, and a sheath that blows the original PD factory sheath out of the water. From what I’ve seen so far, there wasn’t a single change that wasn’t a significant improvement over the original.
I'm late to the party but I ordered one!!! :cool:
Since I'm in California (Boo!!!) I had to look up the legality and I'll be Open Carrying it haha
1.1. Knives that may be worn, but not concealed
This category of laws applies to “dirks” and “daggers.”
Penal Code 21310 PC makes it a crime in California to carry a concealed dirk or dagger.1 The concealed carry of one of these weapons includes:
- tucking it into a waistband or other article of clothing, or
- carrying it in a purse, pocket, briefcase, backpack, or any other container.
California law, though, has an “open-carry” law for these knives. This means that a person may carry a dirk or dagger openly in public provided that:
- the knife is contained within a sheath, and
- the sheath is worn suspended from the person’s waist.2
A “dirk” or “dagger” is:
- any knife or other instrument with or without a handguard,
- that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon, and
- may inflict great bodily injury or death.3
Examples of these knives include:
- daggers,
- stilettos,
- chef’s knives,
- ice picks,
- fixed blade knives,
- bowie knives,
- knitting needles, and
- scissors.
Carrying a concealed dirk or dagger is a wobbler in California. This means it can be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony.
A misdemeanor offense is punishable by:
- custody in county jail for up to one year, and/or
- a maximum fine of $1,000.4
A felony offense is punishable by:
- imprisonment in county jail for 16 months to up to three years, and/or
- a maximum fine of $10,000.5
@SouthNarc , I saw a video on Greg E’s weekly knowledge dump about a new sheath coming out that fits both the trainer and live El Niño. Do you know when I could buy the set that would come with the new sheath?
How close is the blade of the el nino trainer compared to the standard push dagger trainer?
Any idea if an el nino trainer will fit in a DSG standard push dagger trainer sheath?