Guys I'm looking at getting some new mag pouches, Ive been using Comp-Tac's for quite some time and want to try some new ones. I need them to be a clip on style. Any suggestions?
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Guys I'm looking at getting some new mag pouches, Ive been using Comp-Tac's for quite some time and want to try some new ones. I need them to be a clip on style. Any suggestions?
http://www.kytexgear.com/
Do a search here. There have been some reviews and comments of these pouches.
They are very reasonably priced too.
I have comp tac (single and double), atomic dog (double), and kytex (single) mag pouches. The kytex pouch is very affordable and very discrete (i.e. it uses very little real estate on the belt) compared to the other two brands. The only bad thing about the kytex is that it hangs a bit lower than the comptac. I've met Brian face to face (he is a SO at some local matches) and he is a nice guy to deal with. If you go that route, you might see if he can do something custom for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAP
Not to threadjack here, shoot me down if you like and I'll gladly move along...
I'm also looking for something other than the Comp-Tac pouches I've been running. I'd prefer a clip on horizontal pouch (the Tek-Lok Comp-Tac is just too bulky for me) to replace the Galco HMP I'm using now. Anyone seen something like that? Or is it easier to reach out to Kytex and get a custom HMP rolled?
/threadjack
Corlissimo- you might check Dale Fricke holsters, he does horizontal but can't tell from his site how they attach.
Prdator - another recommendation for Kytex.
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Another recommendation here for Kytex Shooting Gear. I use them almost exclusively for carry and have for several years. They do ride a scooch lower than other makers but I personally find that to be an sset. It means less rib poking and does't seem to compromise concealment.
The Dale Fricke horizontal pouch clips on. It's easy to get on without unthreading your belt but a bitch to get off. It can be done but when I used to use one I always took my belt off and unthreaded it. That resulted in less cramping and cussing fighting with it.
Another fan of Kytex here. I use them and a JM single the most often.
Interesting option here: http://www.ravenconcealment.com/acce...ft-loop-straps
http://www.ravenconcealment.com/imag...MC-500x500.jpg
I wish I had thought of it...
I would also suggest looking into ReadyTac.
http://www.skdtac.com/Ready-Tactical...-p/rdt.103.htm
The Ready Tactical are very similar to the Kytex Shooting Gear pouches. I have used Ready AR pouches in the past and now own Kytex AR pouches and they are very similar. Kytex are less expensive and they offer EXCEPTIONAL service. That's not a knock against Ready, just saying why I personally choose Kytex.Quote:
Originally Posted by orionz06
Frankly, I prefer the fixed soft loops you are using now over the Raven snap loop option. I personally hate snap loops. I find them hard as hell to work and there's always that outside chance they could come undone OR more likely case that I never had them snapped properly in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by orionz06
Your current soft loop setup is very snug to the body and very secure. That's nothing to sneeze at.
Not quick release... :frown: I desperately want a quick release option but currently my favorites are made by someone else and making something different for the sake of being different won't benefit anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by VolGrad
Quick release is a good trait to have .... if done properly. Like you, I prefer the ones already on the market (and already mentioned) so I agree there's no sense in trying to re-invent the wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by orionz06
After thought .... quick release is sort of like modularity in my mind. It sounds great but the reality is once the novelty or newness wears off you are left with something that sounded better than it really is. Modularity sort of implies it will do it all. Most of us have found that anything that does it all doesn't usually do any one thing better than something that only does THE one thing. Follow that?
Specifically, it's great to be able to setup the same holster eleventy billion ways. However, the reality is once you find the sweet spot you are likely to never change it thus negating the need for modularity. I have dupes of lots of things simply because I'm too lazy to swap between IWB vs OWB loops all the time based on my needs for the day.
This thread might be of interest to you too.
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.p...kinnier-people
I'm contemplating the BMC ones, but I can't figure out what the difference is btw the standard clip or integrated loop.
Kytex... 14 bucks and dang good pouches.
hey, did someone say kytex yet?
Mine are great, ended up buying one opposite of my normal carry side so that I can flip it around and wear the mag inside the waistband
Thanks Nick :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by NickA
I've looked at the Fricke HMCs (online only) but that $40 price has me looking elsewhere first. I'd stay with the Galco leather HMC that I have been running for my XD, but it squeaks a bit. I know I'll have no such issues with a kydex pouch. Maybe I'll try one if my search doesn't turn up anything else.
ETA: Feel like I could have something custom done for less than $40 but I'm just guessing at that. :)
I really like CCC basic mag carriers. They are secure, streamlined and concealable. They don't take up any more space then they need to.
I find that my Ready Tac pistol pouches tend to stick out, as in you can see some daylight between the pouch and the buckle. I use and like them for competition and training. Just wondering if the Kytex pistol pouches fit more flush against the body, thus aiding in concealment?Quote:
Originally Posted by VolGrad
The Kytex pouches definitely fit nice and flush to the body, they are awesome! They don't have the outward cant that the Ready Tac has.
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I'm pretty sure you'd have to get an IWB mag pouch to find one that hold's the mag tighter to the body than the Kytex.
.... and I've still not found an IWB pouch that is comfortable, esp if you are also wearing a pistol IWB. I simply can't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up1911Fan
Kytex Shooting Gear FTW.
This site costs me money. I had never heard of the kytel pouches, and am now shopping for them, of course. I thought I would ask, so they don't automatically end up in my used/useless gear box:
How do the kytex pouches work with different belts?
Specifically, I usually run either a Ares Gear Ranger belt, 1.5", or a Beltman belt, also 1.5".
Are the pouches stable on these belts, or do they move around?
As long as your 1.5 belt is on the thicker side you won't have trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by t101
Thin non-gun specific belts will allow some sliding.
One quick trick to minimize sliding is to use a small piece of hook velcro tape on the back of the mag pouch clip. The hook will grab your pants fabric and keep the pouch from sliding. You can buy a small package of hook and loop velcro tape at walmart for a few bucks. It works great for this application.
great idea!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TAP
I have never found a Kytex Shooting Gear pouch to move on me unintentionally. I have used the following belts with success;Quote:
Originally Posted by t101
Wilderness
Atlas Gear
The Beltman
TT Gunleather
Damn all of you and your Kytex talk! You made me order a couple last night. :p
I figured "Heck, I can get two for the price of one Fricke HMC so I might as well try them out." :cool:
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Originally Posted by VolGrad
Thanks! Any thanks to EMC for the direct reply as well!
Nothing against Kytex, they make great stuff, but I think the pancake design will hold tighter OWB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up1911Fan
Before anyone screams "bias!" I'll list the Glock magazine pouch or any of the leather pancakes as an example. Just by design, pancake forces it into the body whereas the Kytex just hands in front of the belt - which is on of the reasons people find that type of design more comfortable.
I don't like the pancake design because it is a bulkier and less comfortable then it needs to be. I have not had any experience with your mag pouches but my Raven Concealment pouches did not snug or conceal the mag any closer or better then my CCC mag carriers. It may just be me though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve S.
www.shopleatherworks.com
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All kydex gear is available to order until midnight 8/31/12. On 9/1/12 all kydex will be permanently removed and no longer offered except for combo carriers and tac-hybrids. Please get your orders in before then because once this deadline passes no kydex orders will be accepted and no exceptions will be made.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...9&postcount=82
I have to admit that the Raven carriers did conceal a tad bit better for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin P
However, with CC or kytex style mag carriers my clean reloads are consistently .2-.4 seconds faster and my fumbled reloads which used to be quite common, are almost non-existent now. It is much harder for me to get a consistent index on the raven style pouches. As soon as I switched to kytex, many of my reload issues became non-issues.
I recently wanted to get some new kydex mag pouches for my Sig P226, I looked around online and found L.A.G. Tactical Inc. They make great looking kydex holsters for almost any magazine, and if they don't have yours listed on their site, then you can call them to see about having one custom done to what ever magazine you need. If anyone would like to see their stuff, check it out on www.lagtactical.com. Hope this helps your search!
That's understandable. Just from a design standpoint, pancakes force the magazine into the body whereas something like the mentioned pouches hang the magazine off the belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin P
It really depends on how tall the belt loop is. Too tall and it defeats the purpose. Too short and many thicker belts are harder to thread through. I shoot for no extra clearance room once something like an Atlas or thick leather belt is threaded. Helps with the mag sliding around on the waist line as well. I also try and avoid tension screws wherever possible. They increase footprint and are just one more thing to get lost / lose proper tension setting.
For strictly concealment purpose (OWB mag carrier, not IWB) it's worth trying a Glock magazine pouch, or even a traditional Leather pancake. It will not be easier to put on, and since it holds so tight to the body, will be less comfortable. But honestly, for cheap, off-the-shelf convenient, concealment magazine carriers - it's hard to beat the Glock Combat gear.
This is nothing against Kytex or CCC, etc. They make nice stuff, it's just a different piece of gear with it's own set of Pros and Cons. No free lunch and all that.
While I wish the listed company nothing but success and I'm a big fan of a competitive market, their magazine carrier appears to exactly the same as our Low Profile Carrier I brought out almost 2 years ago. If I remember correctly, our Forum's own VolGrad helped work on the project with me. It's suprisingly turned in to our most successful mag carrier to date. There's a new version that should be listed in the coming months that expands on the concept, but if nothing else makes it IDPA legal (an issue with the original).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P226
I'm finding the biggest factor, even more than concealment ability, as to whether a person carries a spare magazine or not is the ease of putting it on and taking it off the belt. I'm really trying to embrace that idea, since a spare magazine is very important for EDC.
I think I still have the sketches I sent you around here somewhere. My recollection was me repeatedly asking you to cut off any excess material and making the overall package as trim as possible. That led to the clipped corners. I think I might have asked for lower riding too. I know at one time you sent me like 6 different versions of single pouches to test and provide feedback. This one ... the one I sketched out and sent you is prob my favorite of the pancake designs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve S.
Hey .... wait .... most successful to date? Where's my royalties? :cool:
I actually think I disagree with this statement. I know in the next post you stated the pancake design forces the mag in toward the body and in theory and practice that is true. However, I think my Kytex pouches do hold plenty snug to the body and conceal just as well or better than pancake designs. Both are excellent but I prefer the more compact design and quicker on/off of the Kytex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve S.
Of course, you know that's not a knock on your stuff. I think we have proven I'm a fan of your gear.
It's cool. For the sake of discussion, I'm trying to keep my company and any bias out of the coversation. But if you enlarge the item carried (I.E. Pistol), it becomes immediately apparent why pancakes tend to conceal better. Same reason a pancake holster isn't generally preferred for competition whereas the taco style is. With pancakes, you get that "kydex pancake lean" - or the twisting the torso to the side when drawing to get some clearance between the pistol and the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by VolGrad
After a long break from taco style gear, I've been prototyping different designs a lot lately. Nothing that enchroaches on Kytex territory though. But inparticular our upcoming AIWB rig and an IWB magazine carrier to compliment it. What I've found is that the taco style doesn't yield any concealment benefit or even real estate benefit in and of itself. Because where the material doesn't exist (where it would on a pancake), the belt and pants still "blanket" that area, since it's impossible for the belt to contour around a double stack magazine or gun.
When OWB, theres obviously no pants or belt to blanket (since they are behind the carrier). So you get printing at these hard corners. However, the taco style IWB has some distinct advantages that I'm trying to exploit. The OWB mag carriers being discussed have some distinct advantages as well - namely comfort and ease of getting on and off. They also tend to ride lower, which can be an advantage depending on the situation. But we will have to agree to disagree that they conceal better than a pancake design.
Royalties? Psh. Ain't no money in magazine carriers, homie. They use the same amount of hardware, same amount of rivets, just slightly less Kydex, same amount of assembly / prep time, and have almost the same amount of finished surfaces. If I was smart, I'd dump magazine carriers from the line.
If you ever come up to visit, I give you rights to all the beer you want to drink out of my fridge. :-)
No argument there. I just disagree that pancake pouches conceal better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve S.
Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve S.
... and that's no joke on mag pouches. I don't see why anyone would want to make them. They are lot of work. I see them as a necessary evil for gear makers as they have to offer them because people have to have them. In order to pay back what it costs to make them the price is almost as much as a holster.