Hard for you not seeing the actual scenario unfold...
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Originally Posted by
BehindBlueI's
Armed accomplices not participating in the robbery, but waiting in ambush to engage after the initial gunfight? You think that's common in real life?
The accomplices waiting in the van were not needed at the ATM to hold up one little old lady. And if you kept quiet and did not engage the perp as he walked back to his waiting van, his two accomplices do not attack or ambush you, no need for them to do so. But if you yell at the robber and start a gunfight with the him as he walks back to the van, is it unreasonable to think that his driver and buddy waiting in the van might then open fire on you? The point is, a CCW carrier is not a police office and is not obligated to intervene in a non violent robbery. Playing the hero in such situations can get easily get you killed. Better to note descriptions and license plates and call the police, let them do their job. Think that makes sense?
Scenarios you don't expect
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Originally Posted by
SoCalDep
Not common... Not unheard of, and part of the reason it's uncommon is because the lay-off never has to do anything because the robbery is un-resisted.
We've lost at least one off-duty deputy to a lay-off man, and I know of several robberies where accomplices were waiting in vehicles... Since they weren't engaged by anyone we'll never know if they were armed.
I know of one on-duty shooting that involved an multi-suspect (dismounted) ambush on deputies followed by a drive-by from another vehicle (at the initial shooting location) which then engaged deputies at a secondary location (containment spot from the initial shooting). Three shootings in three minutes involving two groups of coordinated bad guys.
Is it far-fetched? I'd say yep, but I've seen enough far-fetched stuff that if it teaches a good lesson and encourages thinking through problems... It's good.
In another one of 1200 scenarios, you are clearing a house room by room. You enter the kitchen with whitewashed cabinets. You don't notice that one of the drawer faces is missing. Suddenly flashes of gunshots come out of the dark area where the drawer face had been! You can't see the perp, but you know by now that he is hiding inside the cabinet and shooting at you through the opening created by the missing drawer face! You fire several rounds into the cabinet and the flashes coming out the dark slot stop and you're still alive. You never see the armed criminal. Is this unlikely? Maybe. But you learn that concealment can't protect a bad guy, you don't have to see your target in all situations, and reacting to the whole situation is critical. Cabinets can't stop bullets!