Totally agree.
That said, I recommended to IDPA to look at all the USPSA club matches/outlaw matches compare that with the seeming lack of issues in AIWB...
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https://youtu.be/RcrjMrIV0UA
Similar concept with showing muzzle angles.
Also interesting that Seeklander on a Wilson Combat video endorsed AIWB….
https://youtu.be/F1QTAmE-R1w
But it wasn’t okay in IDPA….
Am I misunderstanding? I've shot from the driver's seat in IDPA matches. As far as allowing AIWB, I don't. However, if you shoot your pee pee, that will disrupt the stage and waste my time. The bit about the unclassified showing up and trying to be cool. Well, don't allow the unclassified to do that. I voted to allow it.Quote:
That is also why they don't let you draw a gun from a holster in a vehicle in IDPA so you don't sweep yourself....yet there are ways to draw a gun (even from AIWB) in a vehicle and still not shoot yourself.
I had an idiot almost put a 45 ACP in my foot when I was scoring keeping when he went to holster his gun. I'd would have preferred him to remove his pee pee.
To correct some disinformation in this post…
1. There are no IDPA rules that prohibit drawing a gun from a holster in a vehicle in IDPA that I am aware of. Do a search for “vehicle” in the current IDPA rulebook if you’re not sure yourself. I’ve participated in, and SO’d several stages where this was done.
2. IWB at 2:00 would be in violation of rule 8.5.J and K:
“J. Must be positioned on the belt so that the center of the trigger pad is behind the centerline of the body.
K. For IDPA purposes, the centerline of the body originates in the center of the armpit and goes straight down.”
I agree that IDPA management is concerned about the liability of competitors negligently shooting themselves in the pelvic region. I’m a little concerned about the liability issue myself as an SO. I know plenty of people I trust to do it, but I don’t want any part of SO-ing a new shooter using AIWB.
Don’t get me wrong- I get that AIWB is the “cutting edge” thing in concealed carry. I have a nice JMCK AIWB holster myself. I’m still working out the comfort issues, but I’m fine with holstering a hammer-fired gun with hammer down (or Gadget-equipped gun) in such a holster. If someone else wants to try a different type of handgun in that arrangement, fair play to them. But I don’t want any part off the liability associated with the consequences of ignorance, inattentiveness, or inexperience.
If IDPA can figure a way to insulate themselves (and Match Directors and SO’s) from the liability risk of having people who participate in their sport pointing loaded firearms at their femoral artery, then I’m all for including it in the rulebook.
You can SHOOT from inside the vehicle, but in all the sanctioned matches I have ever shot in you could not DRAW the gun from a holster on your person. They would have either a holster rigged up in the car on the steering wheel, or have you pick it up off the dashboard, have you pick it up off the passenger seat or out of a briefcase or something similar on the passenger seat , but I have never shot an IDPA match where they let you draw the gun off your person inside the vehicle.
While it may not be in the rule book I have never shot in , seen or even heard of a match above club level that actually allowed you to draw the gun from a holster inside a vehicle because of "safety concerns". What folks do at club level matches is beyond the scope of what IDPA can control (we drew gun while sitting atop a wooden horse at a club match once which they specifically said that would likely not pass IDPA muster due to high likelihood of sweeping strong side leg).
I have drawn gun from holster in a tier 3 match while sitting on a riding lawn mower but they made us sit on it "sidesaddle" so both feet were on the same side of the seat and away from the holster. I've shot from inside the car at State, National and World level matches and none allowed you to draw the gun off your person, it was always pre-staged off body.
In a recent incident in Houston, one of the cops involved did two reloads prior to slide lock. It's on a video, but the only link I have is to a Facebook upload:
https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrime...53059901947818
I didn't word that very well in my previous post. I carry at about 2 o'clock on a daily basis. I shoot IDPA with the gun as far forward as IDPA legal which is more like 2:45 o'clock . In an FBI canted IWB holster that can be as far forward as having the slide sitting under the watch pocket of a pair of jeans. I have successfully passed equipment check at state, national and world matches with that setup.