Originally Posted by
Cory
I've never heard that Pat Rodgers story before. (Pat Rogers relayed an account of being present in a situation where New York City's emergency service unit blasted a knife armed emotionally disturbed person in the chest with a shotgun with buckshot and his reaction was just to roar at them.) I have no doubt it's true considering the source. It's the first time I've ever heard of someone getting a solid hit with 00 buck, and the person not immediately being out of the fight.
Remember, Rogers was probably retired from the NYPD before the advent of the low recoil and FC wads, or their widespread adoption. The pre-FC wad rule of thumb with 00B out of cylinder or improved cylinder police 870's was pattern spread of 1 inch per yard. So at ten yards it wouldn't be improbable to not have a pellet not hit an immediate or rapidly incapacitating area.
Regarding the being immediately out of the fight thoughts, many people survive being shot by the police. According to Dr. Fackler, the primary reason for one shot stops during police gunfights was/is the psychological response of being shot. I think it is fair to ass-u-me that being shot with a police shotgun might be more psychologically devastating than being shot with a pistol.
Additionally, the drive/motivation of the subject plays a role, as does intoxication or psychologically altered states, whether natural or drug induced.
For a short time, IMO, the FC wads gave the police shotgun new life, extending it's effective range, and dramatically increasing the likelihood that a centermass hit will cause nearly instant incapacitation.
I didn't mean to make quite that much stir with my post. Posts about needing a butt cuff and a side saddle both for anything but a class, or "dazzling" a bad guy with a light to make it hard for him to aim... that crap reaks of misinformation. With the absolute devestatingly effectivness of 12G we get into fantasy land pretty fast with needing 20 damn shells. And lights aren't used to mess up the bad guys aim. They're to light what you can't see so you can shoot it. While the thread was absolutely not about any of that, it struck me as pretty off base to not address. Guess I was wrong.