This isn't a new idea. Col. Askins used a modified Remington Model 11 in gunfights. According to this article it had a 22" barrel and 8 shot extended magazine. You have to sort through the article because it talks about other gunfights that do not involve a shotgun, too.
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Nope. I'm from Kentucky, so it was natural for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's
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This entire exchange gave me a good laugh on a stressful day. Props to you both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester Polfus
Interestingly enough, I've been thinking of going the opposite direction and opting for a Remington Tac-13 with a folding brace and RMR installed. I figure a smaller package that is easier to move inside with, but still delivers plenty of power out of the end may be the way to go.
An 18" barreled 12-gauge with buckshot remains my "shelter-in-place" weapon of choice, but a light equipped handgun remains my movement weapon of choice. Hence thinking about a light equipped Tac-13 to bridge that gap.
PS: There is something to longer barrel + longer mag = more comfort. My wife's gun of choice is a 21" 870 Youth in 20-gauge. With a Nordic +4 extension it, it holds 10 rounds of Spartan #1 9-pellet buckshot. 3-dot sights on the vent rib + her running it like a sewing machine. I wouldn't fuck with her if she has that boomstick in her hands, she WILL fuck someone up with it. Whenever I pick it up, I find the balance is great and it feels good to me, the extra couple of rounds of bone and flesh removing buckshot makes me feel more better too.
The shorter guns are very handy but I'm still stuck on 20" 590's because I do like the capacity.
Mine goes in/out of my truck a lot and I made that easy with a side folder. Most people hate them, I love them. For shooting not just totin around.
So there's that compromise (that will only appeal to a few) available.
I'm not giving up additional ammo on the gun. Use velcro cards and you can leave them off if you want. I use a shotgun quite a bit but never, to this point, inside the house.
So my view is slanted toward regular, rural, outdoor, practical uses.
My choices are long (FP6 with 20" barrel and 8 round extended.) or really long (Stevens single-shot with a 24" or 26" barrel, not sure). That is not due to a decision making process of any type, one was a great deal, the other inherited.
I wouldn't mind something shorter in the house, but I can't see the advantage once I am outside my door. I'm not pursuing any threats, weight isn't an issue.
I might move up to Flite Control someday, but cheap Federal 9-pellet 00 or reduced recoil 8 pellet loads work fine at 25 paces for me patterning on paper. I wouldn't want to rely on it past that, however. If I get a sidesaddle, it will be loaded with slugs.
Not that my opinion is worth anything on this subject. Interesting thread.
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Originally Posted by OlongJohnson
Just realized this is the OP's second thread on almost the same topic in a very short time, and the post I referenced was in his other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by GJM
I've thought about this a great deal, and I've come to a differing conclusion than most of you.
The first point I'd like to make is that inside ten yards, pattern spread with the flite-control wad is negligible. Therefore the same precision is required to shoot the buckshot load as the slug.
Armored home invaders are not unheard of, the Federal TruBall reduced recoil slug delivers over 1200 ftlbs energy inside 25 yards. My testing of slugs indicates no vest penetration, but pretty sure it would knock a bad guy on his ass, allowing me to close for another targeted shot if needed. FBI protocol through heavy clothing was 12.75, with 97.78 weight retention. On the other hand, the LE 132 and LE 133 both go over 20" in gelatin through heavy clothing.
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For inside the home defense I'd rather manage one projectile than eight or nine, outside the same deal.
As for the RDS, on a home defense shotgun, using slugs, I don't want to have to deal with offset. Outside, at range, before the RDS gives me any real speed advantage, you are beyond reasonable effective range for buckshot.
JMO, worth what you paid.
Some people fall down because they think they are supposed to, but it won't physically knock them over. Note some people fall over when shot at, but it's nothing you can count on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Lehr
It is true, at least according to Dr. Martin Fackler, that the primary reason folks stop/fall after being shot is the psychological response.Quote:
Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's
That being said, I don't know if you've ever shot slugs at vests draped over weighted targets, but they move. In my case I used upright tire carcasses with the vest strapped tightly around the front portion, weighted with bricks. The slug doesn't penetrate the vest, significant deformation of the tire, and you have to go pick it up.
I'm pretty sure you'd fall.