Well, we have a box of it here, in good condition. I'll try to get it chrono'ed.
No doubt about it bouncing off hard cover; I was thinking more of unprotected meat.
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Well, we have a box of it here, in good condition. I'll try to get it chrono'ed.
No doubt about it bouncing off hard cover; I was thinking more of unprotected meat.
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That Super Police load seems to be going about as fast as the S&B WC, and I believe Doctor Roberts indicated that was too slow.
As for the 640 not being +p rated, I wish it were otherwise, but it's not a deal breaker. I anticipate that i will give the 640 to my wife, to replace her 70's vintage M60. I am a big believer in DAO, and the 640 has the added advantage of an internal hammer - she could shoot through a pocket if needed and there are fewer avenues for lint and dust bunnies to migrate into the action.
She would be more prone to carry a 642, but less prone to practice with it (even with WCs).
I would still like to qualify annually with the 640 (just in case I end up with it), but I can limit my use to WCs. After reading, and re-reading the recent posts on this subject, I think WCs are a pretty sound way to go. I just have a lot of SBGDs. If I don't practice and carry them in my J-frames, I'll have to buy another bigger and heavier gun (3" SP101 or K-frane) to shoot them out of.
With the relative scarcity of the 135gr +P Gold Dot, I would imagine you'll have no trouble selling those cartridges.
If you have to buy wadcutters, selling the others might be a good idea. The prices for new factory wadcutters are heinous, these days.
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I had some of those 200 grain rounds, which I (unwisely) had in a HD revolver for awhile. They were recommended by a cop who seemed to know what he was doing, but they wouldn't penetrate much of anything. The were very, very, very slow. Had they really travelled at 800 fps the recoil would have been hideous, I suspect.
Working on getting a chronograph lined up now. Ours (the lab's) be bust, and now is not the time to request a replacement..
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A little late, but I finally picked up that 640 no dash. It has an incredibly smooth stigger. I don't know what the weight is, as I don't have a gage, but it's smooth as butter. Denny really can do some beautiful work. It also came with beautiful Secret Service grips. I'll probably put Hogue monogrips on it as it will become my wife's house gun. The SS grips may make their way to my 642.
I haven't had an opportunity to shoot it yet. That should come this weekend when I take my 640 and my 642 to the range and use up some of the Federal WC's I managed to pick up. If they shoot to POA at 7 to 10 yards, I may have found my new carry load.
In the 1980s and 90s NYPD Model 36, 60 and 640 got a steady diet of Remington 158 SWC +P and held up fine. so in think the +P rating is just a lawyer talk. I chronograph my duty ammo listed above at 830 fps from a 1 7/8" barrel.
While I am not overly concerned with shooting some +p out of my new "old" 640, I do take the manufacturer's recommendations seriously. If they say it's not recommended for +P (and they did say this), I have to figure there is a reason. It may be a stupid reason, it may be a lawyer's CYA reason, it may be based on factors that would not apply to me, but so be it.
In fact, my moving away from +p out of my sub 2" J-frames is based more on reports of even the better "designer" HP rounds not opening up if cold (and where I live it gets cold a lot, and I carry on my ankle). Hotter +p rounds are also a little less accurate for me when shooting with my non-dominant hand, they are slower with follow up shots, and one primary reason I carry a j-frame at all is to give to my wife or daughter(s) in an emergency. They shoot WCs far better than any +p.
Glad you got the piece; they are becoming quite difficult to find in good shape (for sale, that is).
No joy so far on a chronograph, but then I haven't thought about this in a while (i.e., I haven't been actively looking). Thanks for the reminder… I gots ta KNOW…
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