How fast do i need to push .357 130grain jsp to get some expansion?

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Originally Posted by the Schwartz

I hope that you'll post your findings here, too, as I'd really enjoy seeing how the soft-points work out for you.

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@the Schwartz

I finally caught one. I lined up 8 jugs with a couple on each side at the end to catch the bullet going out the sides.

I found the bullet in the 6th jug. It hit the backside hard enough to crack the 7th jug.

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Also got some great expansion from a .38+p 130gr winchester ranger bonded from my wifes 2" m15.

Caught a 250gr xtp from my 4 5/8" blackhawk over 18gr 2400 too. Pretty decent. Ill try it in my 16" m92 next time.

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Originally Posted by 03RN

@the Schwartz

I finally caught one. I lined up 8 jugs with a couple on each side at the end to catch the bullet going out the sides.

I found the bullet in the 6th jug. It hit the backside hard enough to crack the 7th jug.

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Also got some great expansion from a .38+p 130gr winchester ranger bonded from my wifes 2" m15.

Caught a 250gr xtp from my 4 5/8" blackhawk over 18gr 2400 too. Pretty decent. Ill try it in my 16" m92 next time.

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Good job!

With bullets that offer only moderate expansion, it is not uncommon for them to go twice the distance that others go—or even a little further—in water if the velocity is really high. Looks like pretty uniform expansion, though. How fast was it going when it hit?

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Originally Posted by the Schwartz

Good job!

With bullets that offer only moderate expansion, it is not uncommon for them to go twice the distance that others go—or even a little further—in water if the velocity is really high. Looks like pretty uniform expansion, though. How fast was it going when it hit?

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9grains of unique
1500-1600fps maybe?

I bet slower powder could get it over 2k and open up a lot more.

Probably not very realistic, but I used to just use old telephone directories, but don't even get them any more.

Bob

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Originally Posted by 03RN

9grains of unique
1500-1600fps maybe?

I bet slower powder could get it over 2k and open up a lot more.

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Well, it looks like a pretty decent load. Assuming that its average diameter is ~0.45'', at 1,550 fps, that 130-grain JSP ought to be good for approximately 27'' worth of penetration in soft tissue (according to the Q-model).

Small game, sure...but it also looks like a decent deer load, too. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Baldanders

I take my own water testing results this way: if it doesn't expand in water, it certainly won't expand in critters of any kind.

I have only had three hollowpoints NOT expand in water: PPU .32 ACP 71 grain JHP, PPU "Handgun Line" LSWCHP standard-pressure .38 Special, and PMC Starfire .45 ACP (partial expansion on one side).
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Thanks for that. I had assumed that PPU LSWCHP standard-pressure .38 Special load wouldn't expand under normal conditions, and it is nice to get confirmation.

ETA: What did that Ranger Bonded 130 +p look like? I just bought several boxes of that to play with. 2" Model 15s are awesome old guns. One of the first handguns that I regularly carried.

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Originally Posted by revolvergeek

Thanks for that. I had assumed that load wouldn't expand under normal conditions, and it is nice to get confirmation.

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That was from a 4" barrel. I may give it a whirl from my Winchester soon, and see if anything is different.

It is VERY soft lead. (Coats my 640 barrel in a few dozen rounds)

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Originally Posted by Baldanders

That was from a 4" barrel. I may give it a whirl from my Winchester soon, and see if anything is different.

It is VERY soft lead. (Coats my 640 barrel in a few dozen rounds)

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A very valid point. I have a NEF Handi Rifle that has been eyeballing it as a relatively quiet anti critter load...

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Originally Posted by revolvergeek

Thanks for that. I had assumed that PPU LSWCHP standard-pressure .38 Special load wouldn't expand under normal conditions, and it is nice to get confirmation.

ETA: What did that Ranger Bonded 130 +p look like? I just bought several boxes of that to play with. 2" Model 15s are awesome old guns. One of the first handguns that I regularly carried.

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A very valid point. I have a NEF Handi Rifle that has been eyeballing it as a relatively quiet anti critter load...

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It went through 4 1 gallon milk jugs, and stopped in the 2nd kitty litter jug (going through the thin side).

The explosion of the first jug was impressive--much like 230 grain 45 ACP Gold Dots. I got sprayed nicely at 2 yards.

I would expect plenty of penetration.