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115 grain flat point FMJ at over 1300 fps. :D
I hope they're right about the recoil spring issue vis a vis the issues with the M882 as I expect there are many metric fucktons of that around.
Interesting article.
According to the article, "The ball [M1152] cartridge is intended for use against enemy personnel, for training, and for force protection."
Assuming that the Army is still relying upon the BRL E[I/H] model discussed here to assess the potential terminal effectiveness of their anti-personnel munitions,
―it does not appear that they were too concerned with improving lethality significantly, at least in accordance with that particular metric as they evaluate it.
Evaluating both options using the US Army's preferred method for assessing lethality (the BRL E[I/H] model): the M882 at 1,273 fps produces an E[I/H] of 0.6934 while the M1152 at 1,326 fps produces an E[I/H] of 0.6977.Quote:
In our tests in 1985, XM882 propelled a 124-gr. round-nose FMJ out of the 5" barrel of an M9 at an average of 1273 f.p.s., delivering 446 ft.-lbs. of energy at 15 ft. Using an Oehler Model 43 and firing the new ammunition out of a 4.7"-barreled P320-M17, M1152 with the 115-gr. bullet was at 1326 f.p.s. and 449 ft.-lbs. of energy, while the M1153 clocked 962 f.p.s. with 302 ft.-lbs., both at 15 ft.
I wonder how many millions of tax-payer dollars were spent to make that 'improvement'? :D
Both FMJ velocities seemed very high.
Winchester NATO 124gr is 1200fps from a 5" barrel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wRT7vVqWM
So the 1276fps velocity from the 1985 era load is impressively high.
Meanwhile the 115gr FMJ at over 1300fps is bizarre - but I want it to be true. That would make a great training load to go along with 9BPLE.
And a bear skull buster!!! Ah garooonteee! :D
@GJM
His velocities are consistent with what I've gotten from Winchester's version. PPU NATO-spec 124-grain went ~20 fps faster, while MEN went ~20 fps slower, so apparently, it's where it should be.
Federal apparently loaded this round at the beginning of its adoption by the US. I once had a five-gallon bucket of FC 85 9x19 once-fired brass that I de-primed and chamfered (got it in the late 80s when 9mm brass was hard to find) that I'm assuming was NATO hardball. The specs may have been hotter back then. Also, the specs may have been changed in response to the "cracked slide" brouhaha.
Along with anything else you might need to bust through to get to vital meat.
I wiould like some of this if it becomes available to the public, as it is exactly the type of load I prefer in 9mm for general use and practice because I am not overly concerned about overpenetration... on the contrary actually in this caliber.
Reminds of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=87-WlhWwLBo
:)
I don't like 115gr 9mm, and velocity in itself doesn't impress me. Looks like cheap practice ammo to me. The 147gr load looks good--assuming the bullet is well designed.