I thought this might be of interest.
https://www.activeresponsetraining.n...volver-roundup
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I thought this might be of interest.
https://www.activeresponsetraining.n...volver-roundup
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Okie John
Very interesting write up.
Good on Greg Ellifritz.
I enjoyed reading that.
Cool.
The photo of the gel test hot defensive JHPs from Chuck’s snub were indeed worth every syllable of their 1,000 words.
This has been very much on my mind of late.
I’ve got the whole setup with the Airweight Bodyguard I used to carry, the 442 with CTC lasergrips that’s the current pocket gun, the steel bodyguard practice gun, and the 43C understudy. I keep telling myself that I just haven’t found the magic practice regime/round count that translates to J frame snub awesomeness.Quote:
There is a big difference between a J-frame and a K-frame (or Ruger SP101, Colt Cobra, or Kimber K-6). Most students brought two guns, a larger revolver with which to do the majority of their shooting and a small J-frame to occasionally use in the drills. When the students broke out the J-frames, scores dropped and reloading drills seemed significantly more difficult.
But I’ve also got a 2 inch M10 that’s pretty easy to shoot. When does someone decide to quit and run a bigger snub?
I've got a 2" model 10 on my belt right now and a .22 LCR in my pocket. Don't quit, augment!Quote:
Originally Posted by TDA
Ive tried j frames twice and a det special about 15 years ago. The colt actually served me pretty well. I drew it a couple time in Hartford and New Haven in some pretty crummy spots. I primarily carried it aiwb in a galco horsehide holster that worked so so. The belt clip wasnt ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDA
I dont remember what I traded it for unfortunately.
The j frames were more recent. My ass and legs are just to big to pocket carry. I have a hard time with a 5 shot belt gun.
I have found that a k frame snub carried aiwb to be my best option. Very comfortable. Like I lounge at home and wrestle with my 2 year old with it. I can also shoot it as well as any other normal sized gun.
If I could pocket carry Id have a j frame at the very least as a bug.
Not that it’s my business, but would you mind if I ask what your approximate height/weight is?Quote:
Originally Posted by 03RN
5'11 at a soft 220lbs right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totem Polar
https://youtu.be/sNDqFG86HQs
I appreciate it, thanks. I’m at a body-weight exercise only 5’10” and just shy of 160, and while I can dress around a 4” K in a JMCK George, it is not a lounge around rig. LCR or J or bust for any sort of lounging or serious discretion on my build.
At any rate, that clarifies things for me, thanks again.
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Originally Posted by 03RN
Squats and deads? I have the same issue.
While I can pocket a J frame, it definitely doesn't disappear. To comfortably carry it long term, I would want a belt holster.
The difference seems slight but I and a few others I know can run an LCR much better and more consistently than a J-frame. For thoselooking at pocket revolvers but not jiving with a Smith, the little Rugers might be worth a try.
While the cleaning schedule is intensive compared to a revolver, I've found an LCP to draw better from a lot of pockets with my skier thighs. Not the biggest fan of automatics in the pocket but might have to bite the bullet myself someday if I gain any more leg circumference. Already have the LCP vetted and in the safe with a Mika holster just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNewbie
Yeah, trying to find pants that fit is hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNewbie
No prob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Totem Polar
That surprises me. Isn’t the LCR a little bigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by SCCY Marshal
So...... Very disingenuous to not distinguish the differences between a small semi and a smaller revolver concerning reliability.
A clean properly maintained revolver with an ammunition check before it's loaded (think spin the cylinder to make sure there's no hang ups) is very fail-proof unless it gets debris in it.
No question a revolver cannot survive high round count events compared to a semi. But.....carried properly and used in a SD situation.......I would bet the J- frame is far more reliable.especially in contact situations.
That's likely a good bit of the reason it runs better than a J for me. That and grip geometry, trigger reach, smooth trigger pull, and decent sights.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNewbie
Unless You mean the LCP bit where one draws better from some pockets for me. There I was talking about the little credit card 380 ACP.
Do you find the sight channel on an LCR to be superior to that on a J Frame?Quote:
Originally Posted by SCCY Marshal
I was holding out for a Smith 640 Pro "when I found a good deal." Now of course there's not even a crappy deal to be had.
I'm wondering if a LCR becomes available I should just settle for that.
The sights on my 638 are getting harder to use every year.
You didn’t ask me, but absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester Polfus
https://i.imgur.com/eDkcjax.jpg
I ran all three of these Snubbies for a year. I kept one and that is the K6. Great sights, buttery action, six rounds and 357. In size it's closer to a J frame. Fits my J frame rigs made for the 640 Pro very nicely and it uses DS speedloaders.
Shoot the K6 2 and I have a 3" frequently. 357 sparingly and 38+Ps the majority of the time. The new Hogue grip really helps with recoil and it's very concealable.
https://i.imgur.com/GKrhAZC.jpg
Yes, for my eyes. The rear does slope down on the outer corners more than a J which may bother some but works very well for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester Polfus
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Originally Posted by Totem Polar
Thank you both.Quote:
Originally Posted by SCCY Marshal
I am just a touch shy of 6 feet and about 245, still toward somewhat squishy side but moving in the right direction. I found the key to pocket carry is symmetry. One in each from pocket looks much more balanced and natural to the untrained eye.
That said, I have to agree that a 2" k frame is easiest to shoot, by far. LCR sights are better, but I have issues with not letting the trigger reset go out far enough regularly. Too much time with S&Ws I guess. I keep playing around with d-Frame Colts but we are still trying to come to some agreement....
I am a giant J frame fan and heartily recommend them. Also, I shoot own and shoot the LCR and have found no fault with the three that I have owned and used. For me the sights are easier to see, and in my older years that is one reason that I shoot an LCR more accurately when out shooting small targets found along streams and in the field. My opinion is that the LCR lifespan is greater than a J frame but I have no evidence to support my claim. I will say that in years past I fired tons of stupidly loaded hot 38 Spl ammo through steel J frames. I would not do it now.
Greg was correct in his article. Some of the folks at this year's Roundup did bring a larger K or L frame to shoot, and a smaller J frame pocket gun.
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Like teacher always asked: "Did you bring enough to share with the rest of the class??"
Yes. Yes, I did.
If I may be so bold.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester Polfus
Finding a 640 Pro that actually shoots to the sights with a factory defensive load is a challenge.
The LCR has a really nice set of sights. I have a 2" 9mm LCR with a set of CT green laser grips and really like it a lot. If you are anywhere near Texas, you are welcome to borrow it and try it out. The factory trigger is way better than that of a stock Smith J-frame.
I hope that helps.
Thanks for reminding me how much I want to set-up a 3" K-frame with Bianchi Lightning grips.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriousStudent
Theres a set on ebay right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by SCCY Marshal
That is the only place to find them. They have not been made in over 20 years. The J frame ones are harder to get, and I have two pairs of the N frame ones, which are rarer still.Quote:
Originally Posted by 03RN
That's a kind offer! I'm in Washington state, but I appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriousStudent
My friend has both .357 and 9mm LCRs and we've a range date planned.
My other issue about the 640 Pro is that I'm not sure who makes the sights. They LOOK like Novaks, but Novak doesn't list them as a catalog item. So you're stuck with the front sight it comes with and have to file it to change POI. Also when the lamps go dim, it doesn't look like I can just knock them out of the dovetails and replace them.
The big draw to the 640 Pro is the weight to soak up recoil, and the fact that all my J-frame speed loaders, grips and holsters will fit it.
The .357 LCR is only a couple ounces heaver than my Airweight 638s and I have buy new support gear. I'll have to do some a/b testing and see if the sights are worth that.
Thanks for your thoughts!
The 640 Pro is attractive. I bought a 60-9 instead when I was looking for an all-steel .357 Jframe to use as a trainer/small belt revolver. The sights on the Pro are different, and I didn’t see them as being a good design to help practice for carrying my 642. If I were going to just carry a 640 Pro, they’d *probably* be fine. But not as a steel trainer, not for the added expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lester Polfus
60-9 has no lock, and a pinned front sight means I can upgrade easily enough if I decide to. Much more pleasant to shoot a bunch of rounds through than an airweight or airlight Ti. Not as obnoxious as I thought it would be with midrange .357s, but I’m not planning to shoot more of them. No problem with any .38 load.
I never knew that they even made them for N-frames! How cool! Any chance that you might indulge us with a picture of them on something?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriousStudent
Thanks,
Danny
Sure, I will dig them out and do that. I don't have a round-butt N frame anymore, but I do have the grips.Quote:
Originally Posted by revolvergeek
I'd be glad to swap you a k-frame set for them if you might be interested...Quote:
Originally Posted by SeriousStudent
I'm with you: 5-11, 225-230 here. Competed in strongman for many years and still train like a maniac. Nothing fits me, either. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 03RN