All Things PCC Competition Thread

I find myself running all around looking for various threads on PCC-related topics specific to competition and I thought it might be nice to put it all in one place going forward. I even went looking for threads relative to this topic to link here and didn't really find anything worth linking. (maybe that's a clue?)

I'd like to keep the topic specific to PCC-related guns, hardware, accessories, techniques, matches, training etc. and skip the "PCC/PDW" stuff and leave that for other threads. Don't care if your PCC competition shooting is IDPA, USPSA, steel, outlaw, whatever but lets keep it about competition. If you're a pistol shooter that thinks PCC should go away, please keep that to yourself unless you have some constructive advice for PCC shooters so that we can help make things a more pleasant experience for you. I'd also like to skip discussions about the administration of matches relative to PCC (things like should one guy be allowed to shoot two divisions in one match, etc.). I do think that it would be potentially helpful to talk tips and tricks for RO/SOing a PCC shooter or how PCC shooters can better work with SO/ROs.

all of the above to say, I shot my whopping second Action Steel match yesterday with my PCC. Really enjoying getting back out to a competition venue.

One thing of interest yesterday, it was the first time I'd shot a stage where using an SBR actually helped me. There was one awkward angle through one port that was pretty easy to negotiate with a handgun but which would have proved more difficult with a 16" rifle. Not impossible mind you, just a little more tricky.

For optic choices I went with the Holosun 512C. Love the large FOV and 65MOA dot for steel.
https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-...-65-moa-circle

https://i.imgur.com/kzPUFTr_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

Shot a 3-gun match this weekend and I was able to use my PCC in a couple of stages. The club I shoot at uses the UML rules, so I normally shoot 2x4 Open. It simply adds the option of PCC to 3-gun and being in open I pretty much run what I want. I shoot a 16inch Foxtrot Mike 3-gun model and sometimes my Ruger PC Carbine.

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Originally Posted by andre3k

Shot a 3-gun match this weekend and I was able to use my PCC in a couple of stages. The club I shoot at uses the UML rules, so I normally shoot 2x4 Open. It simply adds the option of PCC to 3-gun and being in open I pretty much run what I want. I shoot a 16inch Foxtrot Mike 3-gun model and sometimes my Ruger PC Carbine.

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How was the run with the Ruger compatibly?

While not a total game changer the closer to walls the stage designer likes to place movement and angles the more advantage you can get out of an SBR. At 10.5 inches I can definitely cut some excess space in USPSA.
After a long run of Single Stacks, shoot, run reload, run reload...I've been using Taylor Freelance extensions on my Colt mags and getting 40 rounds. One less thing to think about, and now its just run and gun.

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While not a total game changer the closer to walls the stage designer likes to place movement and angles the more advantage you can get out of an SBR. At 10.5 inches I can definitely cut some excess space in USPSA.
After a long run of Single Stacks, shoot, run reload, run reload...I've been using Taylor Freelance extensions on my Colt mags and getting 40 rounds. One less thing to think about, and now its just run and gun.

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man, having never shot Open or Limited I'm not used to having so much cash tied up in mags (at least not since the ban sunset!). $40 for the extension and then $18 for the follower and spring (that I'm just certain I need for some reason) plus whatever I paid for all these factory Colt mags so long ago...

I was lucky enough on Sunday not to need a reload, but I kept thinking I was going to be close on the stage with the Texas Star.

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$40 for the extension and then $18 for the follower and spring

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Definite age related thinking.
I wound up with 3 extra TF extensions and 2 extra strong springs. (Too embarrassed to return them to Robin.)
Let me know, you will like the price.:D

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How was the run with the Ruger compatibly?

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The Ruger has been reliable, but the ergos are just different when you're used to running an AR. I doubt if I'll use it much in competition and will probably just save it for my son whenever he's ready to start shooting. This video is a good example of why I like running an AR PCC. It makes switching to my AR-15 much easier in 3-gun.

https://youtu.be/vib-NB2S8_E

I was at a steel match Sunday, squared with a buddy, who was a top 20 finisher at 2019 PCC Nationals. He shoots a custom AR9. Stage 1, he had a big malfunction. Stage 4, most of the way through the stage, his firing pin broke. He is meticulous about his gear.

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Originally Posted by andre3k

The Ruger has been reliable, but the ergos are just different when you're used to running an AR. I doubt if I'll use it much in competition

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A friend came to the same conclusion. He shot a Ruger because his AR was not reliable. After he got the AR sorted out, he stayed with it because it works just like the Army taught him.

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I was at a steel match Sunday, squared with a buddy, who was a top 20 finisher at 2019 PCC Nationals. He shoots a custom AR9. Stage 1, he had a big malfunction. Stage 4, most of the way through the stage, his firing pin broke. He is meticulous about his gear.

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Did he have a spare? This reminds me I should probably start gathering spares for my pcc.

meant to post something after my last match...

Shot Acton Steel at OK Corral on 8/23 and didn't do too bad
https://practiscore.com/results/new/115658

Couple of things:
1) I almost got dinged for breaking the 180. Too much tactical I guess, keeping both hands on the gun. RO suggested going one-handed with the hand on pistol grip and pointing down-range when running right to left (right handed shooter)

2) Too much talking from the various sources. One thing I *like* about these kinds of matches is figuring out my approach on my own. From time to time I've even come up with an approach that's allowed me to win a stage based almost entirely on my unconventional approach. But in both squads I was in there were people laying out the "best" way to shoot every. single. stage. So annoying. I gotta figure out a way to politely tell these people to STFU.

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Originally Posted by rob_s

But in both squads I was in there were people laying out the "best" way to shoot every. single. stage. So annoying. I gotta figure out a way to politely tell these people to STFU.

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Power off your electronic ear pro during walkthrough and you'll be golden, no?

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Power off your electronic ear pro during walkthrough and you'll be golden, no?

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haha that's not a bad start!

Shot another action steel match yesterday with my PCC. Due to ammo shortages I was shooting a mixed bag, and suffered a lot of malfunctions.

The gun seems to prefer lighter ammo, as the old Blazer I’ve been shooting seems to run pretty much 100%. I’m not absolutely certain on the grainage of that ammo but I think it’s 115.

Shooting various 147 grain is hit or miss, typically resulting in at least one malfunction per mag on average. The malfunction seems to be a kind of a double feed but I’m in the middle of a stage and not trying to diagnose.

I also shot a fair amount of some old surplus Gold Dot I’ve had for 5, maybe 10, years. When it ran it ran well, but the hollow points hung up on the breachface, often more than once per mag.

In other news, I saw my first other PCC shooter that was younger and fitter than me. I am beginning to get that this is the key to strong PCC performance, as the relative ease of shooting the long gun with red dot (and in his case a muzzle brake to boot) at these distances reduces the import of marksmanship (not that it doesn’t matter, just that it’s easier to get reliable hits at speed) and increases the value of body speed (target transitions & movement between positions, primarily). I’ll assume that at a very high level marksmanship may again come into play, but for us dad bod suburban hobby shooters it appears to me that hits in PCC are almost a given and body speed is the key to moving up the ranks.

If I can get the gun running reliably, perhaps I can start to apply that lesson.