I just ordered a few boxes. I have the Hellcat and the Hellcat Pro.
https://www.federalpremium.com/handg...1-PD9P1SA.html
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I just ordered a few boxes. I have the Hellcat and the Hellcat Pro.
https://www.federalpremium.com/handg...1-PD9P1SA.html
What is the difference between the hellcat specific 124 grain Punch and the regular 124 grain Punch? The website isn't very specific about that.
Someone really needs to have a sit down with Federal's marketing department. Did they not learn anything from .30SC?
I don't see a problem with this at all, in fact I see it as a potential solution to an existing problem. It's going to really make guns like the P365, Hellcat, G43, etc., much more controllable via lower powder charge and minimal bullet weight which will still give solid ballistic performance. I've been seeking this exact solution but wonder if it delivers on penetration in these pistols, that would make it a win for me if it reliably meets 12" in 4LD testing in gel.
Velocity - Punch 1150 fps, Punch Hellcat 1070 fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamingo
"Ideal ... velocity for flawless function"
Is that because it is downloaded, or just the shorter barrel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn Dodson
What barrel length was the regular federal punch shot out of? I am just curious if this is a new ammo or just repackaged ammo with a hellcat specific marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn Dodson
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Originally Posted by Shawn Dodson
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Originally Posted by Noah
According to the recent SA advertising magazine that arrived last week, claimed MV is 1070 in the 3” Hellcat and 1120 in the Pro. The author measured 1094 and 1122 out of his guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamingo
I wonder what it is out of a G19?
Could you not just shoot 124 HST standard pressure? That’s my current SD load for my P365X, but I’m no expert, for sure.
https://www.luckygunner.com/9mm-124-...um-le-50-round
Marketing doesn't need to be based in reality. It just needs to induce a 'need' where one didn't exist before in order to be successful.
Federal's ad campaign for a ''firearm model specific'' loading reminds me of an unscrupulous auto mechanic telling a car owner that they need to have their ''blinker fluid'' replaced.
I'm not impressed.
The "regular" Punch in 9mm has a listed muzzle velocity of 1150 fps from a 4" test barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norville
https://www.federalpremium.com/handg.../11-PD9P1.html
Since the Hellcat Pro has a 3.7" barrel, my guess is it's the exact same ammo in different boxes.
But, the Hellcat ammo is a dollar less for 20 rounds.
https://www.federalpremium.com/handg...1-PD9P1SA.html
I'm not buying it till my gun in on the box.
So, there are enough Hellcats out there for this to be a thing? I never would have guessed.
This is a marketing collaboration to sell a few boxes to existing and new Hellcat ownersQuote:
Originally Posted by cosermann
Punch tested in G43 and performed great fyi
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This being my most recent chronograph readings, but should relatively represent my point. 4.3" Beretta barrel vs 3.1" P365 barrel. Bold is average velocity, and to the right is the advertised velocity. Percentage is the read last week versus the advertised. I'll use it to compare since I believe the 365 and Hellcat have the same barrel length, and that Beretta barrel will chronograph more like 4" of other make. Doing that math, 1070 is 93% of the 1150 box velocity on the other Punch. I might speculate downloaded a bit, but I'm absolutely not comparing the same ammo to the same gun, being as I ain't got no data on it. The Punch did average 1169 from my Centurion, but that's the only gun I was using that day.
Or 9mm Federal?Quote:
Originally Posted by CCT125US
Except that the reasons for less than flawless function don't have to do with ammo specs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn Dodson
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....79#post1571179
Damn it! I just got rid of my Hellcat Pro in favor of the Macro. Now I have to wait for Macro ammo to come out
Why'd you got rid of the HCP for the XMacro? I looked to see if you had another thread on that, because asking in this thread is a bit off topic. But you didn't discuss it anywhere else, so I'll ask here.
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Originally Posted by 4RNR
I think I posted this somewhere but it boiled down to recoil. I like everything about the HCP, I even like the grip better. Its slightly bigger overall but the recoil is crazy bad especially when compared to other guns in its category. It started with a rental G43X that had a RDS I wanted to try, didnt really care what gun it was on. I immediately noticed there was less felt recoil. So I decided to rent the Macro and sure enough, much less felt reoil. Comapred to the Macro and 43X the HCP felt more like shooting a tiny plastic 380Quote:
Originally Posted by BBMW