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Glock is developing a rifle?
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Kinda wonder what took them so long
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That rifle brass to face is gonna hurt. ;)
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I believe him at the same level I am expecting this....
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An "asshat rifle." Diabolical.
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Been on the drawing board 20 or so years, IIRC.
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LittleLebowski
H8rs gonna H8. Why else would papers have been filed with the USPTO trademark office for 556GAR?!?
Itz realz. Game Changer. #perfuction .
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JohnO
And your flying pig is not wearing his mask! Burn the witch!
Preferably with some fried eggs and hash browns.
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When pigs fly. :D
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Time to play "Animals" by Pink Floyd.
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LittleLebowski
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If real I am sure I will buy one but I wonder why they wouldn't use a monolithic rail design?
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Borderland
When pigs fly. :D
Hey, hey, hey! I resemble that!!![emoji1787][emoji1787]
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Greg Bell
If real I am sure I will buy one but I wonder why they wouldn't use a monolithic rail design?
Have to define “real.” It’s real in that Glock has done enough research and development for a carbine to apply for patents but does that equal a product coming to market anytime soon? Who knows.
A big question is how recently was the R&D done snd how recent are the patents ?
Re: monolithic rail- this could be something the they worked on 20 years ago and abandoned, or maybe, like Colt, they don’t want to pay LMT royalties for use of LMT’s patent on monolithic uppers.
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Greg Bell
If real I am sure I will buy one but I wonder why they wouldn't use a monolithic rail design?
I assume they've designed this to be lower cost then a monolithic extruded aluminum uppers (ala SCAR), as minimizing production cost/ machining time is a main driver of Glocks pistol designs.
If I had to guess, the top part (labeled 4-6) is aluminum, likely extruded, and then the rest of the handguard and lower receiver are polymer. Presumably, this would shorten machining time and aluminum use vs having a continuous extrusion.
https://www.recoilweb.com/wp-content...carbine_14.jpg
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Sometimes, one patents an idea, not so much to bring the idea to production, but to keep another manufacturer from being able to market the idea, unless royalties are paid. Some that come to mind, that I remember from forum discussions and articles, are that Canon patented camera and lens concepts that were never marketed.
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Rex G
Sometimes, one patents an idea, not so much to bring the idea to production, but to keep another manufacturer from being able to market the idea, unless royalties are paid. Some that come to mind, that I remember from forum discussions and articles, are that Canon patented camera and lens concepts that were never marketed.
I believe Nikon does this too, since they are an optical company that also builds cameras. (Speaking to the photographic division only.)
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I've known it was a real concept but . . .
I was pining for a modern designed, polymer leveraged carbine like a modern M1 Carbine weighing 5-6 lbs, handle optics, could come as a semi auto or pump, in intermediate calibers 10mm - maybe 300 BO.
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HCM
A big question is how recently was the R&D done snd how recent are the patents ?
Per the Recoil link:
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Applications were filed the beginning of November 2019, and were published in the first half of April.
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Greg Bell
If real I am sure I will buy one but I wonder why they wouldn't use a monolithic rail design?
My assumption is that the quick change barrel system would preclude that.
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I will admit I’m curious if this will happen. I’m also skeptical we would see it here.
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JHC
I've known it was a real concept but . . .
I was pining for a modern designed, polymer leveraged carbine like a modern M1 Carbine weighing 5-6 lbs, handle optics, could come as a semi auto or pump, in intermediate calibers 10mm - maybe 300 BO.
Like most European gun companies Glock primarily sees their market as GOV/MIK/LE. There’s no institutional market for what you describe.
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I’m curious. I’m hoping it’s relatively inexpensive compared to its competitors.
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JHC
I've known it was a real concept but . . .
I was pining for a modern designed, polymer leveraged carbine like a modern M1 Carbine weighing 5-6 lbs, handle optics, could come as a semi auto or pump, in intermediate calibers 10mm - maybe 300 BO.
You might have to settle for an antique M1 carbine. I've thought about putting a red dot on mine but if I can ring steel with it at 200 yds what's the point?
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I’m curious. I’m hoping it’s relatively inexpensive compared to its competitors.
It would help if they make it in Georgia.
Importing these from Austria in some type of sport or configuration and then converting them would just add to the cost.
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HCM
It would help if they make it in Georgia.
Importing these from Austria in some type of sport or configuration and then converting them would just add to the cost.
i'm reminded of when Magpul first announced the Masada. Lets just hope Glock doesn't farm out the USA version to Bushmaster.:cool:
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i'm reminded of when Magpul first announced the Masada. Lets just hope Glock doesn't farm out the USA version to Bushmaster.:cool:
Highly unlikely. At that time Magpul was still a small company which had never produced guns, where as Glock is a medium to large company with well established production facilities in the US.
My understanding is Magpul merely licensed Bushmaster to make the Masada. Magpul still owns the design and could produce it or license it to someone else if they thought demand was there long term.
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HCM
Highly unlikely. At that time Magpul was still a small company which had never produced guns, where as Glock is a medium to large company with well established production facilities in the US.
My understanding is Magpul merely licensed Bushmaster to make the Masada. Magpul still owns the design and could produce it or license it to someone else if they thought demand was there long term.
I was just joking about Bushmaster. But it could be similar in how everyone got their hopes up and were then disanointed.
Any idea from he drawings if it will accept usgi mags or does it look like something proprietary?
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pi3
I was just joking about Bushmaster. But it could be similar in how everyone got their hopes up and were then disanointed.
That would be an abdication.
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pi3
I was just joking about Bushmaster. But it could be similar in how everyone got their hopes up and were then disanointed.
Any idea from he drawings if it will accept usgi mags or does it look like something proprietary?
Looks like 5.56 and M-16 mags which is logical since they are the NATO standard.
I would not get my hopes up as Glock is very oriented to institutional GOV/MIL/LE so even if they make these, they may or may not release a civilian semi auto only version. Or may or may not make them in/for the US.
Speaking of Bushmaster and the ACR, while the BM ACR's were problematic, Remington Defense put quite a bit of work into R&D improvements for the select fire ACR on the MIL/GOV side. I got to shoot one of the Remington Defense improved ACR's during an 870 armorer's class at FLETC and was impressed vs the commercial version.
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HCM
It would help if they make it in Georgia.
Importing these from Austria in some type of sport or configuration and then converting them would just add to the cost.
With the current state of the firearms market, if Glock built them here, they’d sell them as fast as they could box them up and ship them out. The question is would they add the additional production capability to do so, or divert some of the resources used to produce Glock handguns to produce these rifles. Right now Glock is also selling every handgun they make as fast as they can box it up and ship it out. The profit margin on the rifle would have to be pretty great to warrant diverting handgun producing resources.
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WobblyPossum
With the current state of the firearms market, if Glock built them here, they’d sell them as fast as they could /box them up and ship them out. The question is would they add the additional production capability to do so, or divert some of the resources used to produce Glock handguns to produce these rifles. Right now Glock is also selling every handgun they make as fast as they can box it up and ship it out. The profit margin on the rifle would have to be pretty great to warrant diverting handgun producing resources.
And would they want to invest in that infrastructure with the possibility of them being Biden banned. That's why HK never set up HK 91/93/94 production in the US.
The only reason HK are making some rifles in Colombus GA now is DOD contracts.
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HCM
And would they want to invest in that infrastructure with the possibility of them being Biden banned. That's why HK never set up HK 91/93/94 production in the US.
The only reason HK are making some rifles in Colombus GA now is DOD contracts.
Yeah. This is a scary time if you have assets tied up in the production of military style semi-auto rifles, or whatever we’re calling then now. Even if Glock makes them overseas, the administration could just ban their importation.
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WobblyPossum
Yeah. This is a scary time if you have assets tied up in the production of military style semi-auto rifles, or whatever we’re calling then now. Even if Glock makes them overseas, the administration could just ban their importation.
Unless Glock got a EU GOV/MIL contract for them, it would make more sense to make them in the US. Bigger commercial market and for GOV/MIL sales US ITAR is still easier to work with than most EU versions of ITAR.
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WobblyPossum
Yeah. This is a scary time if you have assets tied up in the production of military style semi-auto rifles, or whatever we’re calling then now.
The term you're looking for is "murder sticks".
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I first heard rumors of a Glock rifle back in 2011 when I took my Glock armorers course. I believed them then.... but for now, I'll wait til I see it with my own two eyes :)
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I don't see any downside to Glock manufacturing these here. Glock has AMAZING LEO market penetration and lets face it, a zombie hoard of people who would drink Gaston's pee if he told them to. They can make these here for LEO and Military and sell them on the side to civilians. Most LEO aren't going to issue FA guns anyway so there is no real difference between the two. And I also suspect Glock is savvy enough to realize that there is very little likelihood of a ban in the United States (for the time being).
What interests me is that this may not be yet another AR-18. I am hoping for something a little weird. Still, it doesn't look that simple to me. Of course, I may just be looking at it wrong. But I didn't get the impression from the drawings that this gun is anything special in the simplicity department.