CLP with best anti-wear properties?

I don't want a lube-war thread. I don't want emotions. I don't want speculation. I would like facts, or at least data that RESEMBLES a fact. My sole concern is wear reduction of aluminum on phosphated 4140 steel interaction. An example is P226, or Benelli shotgun.

I want a CLP, not a grease.

What CLP out there best meets this criteria/can you quantify this?

The reason for this request/desire is because I am purchasing an NFA Benelli, and the only "real" wear point I have noted on them is the aluminum receiver where the bolt-carrier rails slide. I want to stave off wear as much as humanly possible, as this is the registered part, and I can replace anything but this without paperwork.

This thread is not about mud slinging or who sued who. I just want the best product for my purposes, and a technical/data based explanation or demonstration of why.

Liberty publishes test results. Don't know what other companies do. https://www.libertygunlube.com/colle...icant-clp-1-oz

"D" numbers are ASTM standards: https://www.astm.org/Standards/D4172.htm

No association with Liberty, never used it.

When you say CLP are you looking for something to do all three, clean, lube, and protect, or really just a gun lube?

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Originally Posted by orionz06

When you say CLP are you looking for something to do all three, clean, lube, and protect, or really just a gun lube?

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. I mean a liquid lubricant that will mitigate wear and protect against corrosion, so more of an "LP".

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Originally Posted by peterb

Liberty publishes test results. Don't know what other companies do. https://www.libertygunlube.com/colle...icant-clp-1-oz

"D" numbers are ASTM standards: https://www.astm.org/Standards/D4172.htm

No association with Liberty, never used it.

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Wow. If that data isn't cooked, that's legit impressive!!! Thankyou!

If it were my gun, I would use a combination of oil and grease. I’ve had great results with Lucas and also with Weaponshield.

Both of their oils “CLP”.

WeaponShield had some convincing YouTube videos in which they test different oils for lube function. I think BreakFree cleans better, but after the guns are clean, now I lube with WeaponShield.

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The Liberty numbers on our website are all legit. When we have our mixtures made, they are tested independently to ASTM standards. I purposely decided to publish all numbers so that the product speaks for itself, as opposed to "ours is better than theirs" lube wars. My daughter shoots a lot of Multigun and we have been sponsoring a lot of big matches from the ProGun Club in Vegas and up through the mountain states. I get a lot of great feedback from end users on the lubricity of the product, as well as it's ability to stay in place. I would recommend our CLP for general lubrication of wear points, and wiping down metal surfaces. I would use our Chem-X grease on lugs, sear mating surfaces, etc. I think if you give it a try, you won't be sorry that you did. We are running a coupon for the rest of the month for a 15% discount off of your shopping cart. It is " Christmas 2017 " Shipping is a flat $3 on all orders under $50 and free above that.

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Originally Posted by JRCHolsters

The Liberty numbers on our website are all legit. When we have our mixtures made, they are tested independently to ASTM standards. I purposely decided to publish all numbers so that the product speaks for itself, as opposed to "ours is better than theirs" lube wars. My daughter shoots a lot of Multigun and we have been sponsoring a lot of big matches from the ProGun Club in Vegas and up through the mountain states. I get a lot of great feedback from end users on the lubricity of the product, as well as it's ability to stay in place. I would recommend our CLP for general lubrication of wear points, and wiping down metal surfaces. I would use our Chem-X grease on lugs, sear mating surfaces, etc. I think if you give it a try, you won't be sorry that you did. We are running a coupon for the rest of the month for a 15% discount off of your shopping cart. It is " Christmas 2017 " Shipping is a flat $3 on all orders under $50 and free above that.

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Does the product have any chlorinated anything? Does it have "ep" type addaives? Is it biobased?

What is the shelf life? How volatile is it (CTM, 24 hour 25*C)?
Out of curiosity, what is the TBN?

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium

Does the product have any chlorinated anything? Does it have "ep" type addaives? Is it biobased?

What is the shelf life? How volatile is it (CTM, 24 hour 25*C)?
Out of curiosity, what is the TBN?

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There are no chlorinated solvents, etc in any of our products. The Chem-X grease uses nano particles of Tungsten disulfide as an EP additive, negating some of the less desirable effects other EP additives have. We didn't bother with CTM or the TBN, as they are used for different industries. Truthfully, I don't know what the shelf life is off of the top of my head. The CLP is synthetic based with petroleum additives and the Grease is LiX based and has some petroleum additives as well. I tend to give out far more info than most of our competitors, but it can be an endless stream of info beyond the needs of the application at hand.

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Originally Posted by JRCHolsters

There are no chlorinated solvents, etc in any of our products. The Chem-X grease uses nano particles of Tungsten disulfide as an EP additive, negating some of the less desirable effects other EP additives have. We didn't bother with CTM or the TBN, as they are used for different industries. Truthfully, I don't know what the shelf life is off of the top of my head. The CLP is synthetic based with petroleum additives and the Grease is LiX based and has some petroleum additives as well. I tend to give out far more info than most of our competitors, but it can be an endless stream of info beyond the needs of the application at hand.

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Thanks a ton! You've been very transparent and it sounds like a great product. I will try it. Does the clp have any ep? Also, any solvents that evaporate, or Not? If so, how long doe they take to evaporate typically, and if used before they do, is performance compromised or different ?

Also, anecdotally, have any high round count aluminum frame (sig) steel slide pistols been shot out with it , and if so, how was frame wear compared to other products? My application is 4140 steel on 7075 t6 type 3ano aluminum.

Don't make the guy type more to sell a few ounces of lube to you

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium

Thanks a ton! You've been very transparent and it sounds like a great product. I will try it. Does the clp have any ep? Also, any solvents that evaporate, or Not? If so, how long doe they take to evaporate typically, and if used before they do, is performance compromised or different ?

Also, anecdotally, have any high round count aluminum frame (sig) steel slide pistols been shot out with it , and if so, how was frame wear compared to other products? My application is 4140 steel on 7075 t6 type 3ano aluminum.

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The CLP uses ZDDP. There are no solvents that will evaporate, but I do suggest shaking before use, as you will get a little separation in the bottle. As far as I know, no one has shot out an Ally frame with it yet. Of course in 3gun, a lot of the receivers in shotguns are aluminum as well as the AR's. My daughter also uses it on her on all of hr polymer, aluminum and steel framed guns. No problems with super high round counts. The feedback from other sponsored shooters is the same. Some of these guys put way more ammo down range than I can afford, lol. The other issue we have here is the frigging moon dust that creeps into the guns. It turns to a paste and with other oils starts to bind guns up, especially during the summer. LL hasn't had a problem as of yet. When we were in Vegas for the Safariland Expedition Multigun match, we were shooting in 117-123F temps. I would think you would be fine. The other advantage we have is that we try to price our products as disposable items, which they are. There are a lot of lube products on the market that are fine, but you are paying boutique prices for stuff that is just ok. Not my business philosophy.

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Originally Posted by JRCHolsters

The CLP uses ZDDP. There are no solvents that will evaporate, but I do suggest shaking before use, as you will get a little separation in the bottle. As far as I know, no one has shot out an Ally frame with it yet. Of course in 3gun, a lot of the receivers in shotguns are aluminum as well as the AR's. My daughter also uses it on her on all of hr polymer, aluminum and steel framed guns. No problems with super high round counts. The feedback from other sponsored shooters is the same. Some of these guys put way more ammo down range than I can afford, lol. The other issue we have here is the frigging moon dust that creeps into the guns. It turns to a paste and with other oils starts to bind guns up, especially during the summer. LL hasn't had a problem as of yet. When we were in Vegas for the Safariland Expedition Multigun match, we were shooting in 117-123F temps. I would think you would be fine. The other advantage we have is that we try to price our products as disposable items, which they are. There are a lot of lube products on the market that are fine, but you are paying boutique prices for stuff that is just ok. Not my business philosophy.

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Thanks! I'll pick some of the grease up for can pin etc as well.

I really wish every lube manufacturer would publish true cost to buy and blend and produce (not counting start up machinery) for their product. That would be interesting indeed!!!

Do you recommend "running wet" like slip 2000 and pat Rogers, or wiping it off like some others?

This data vindicates the use of ZDDP in aluminum and steel interfaces. However, uniquely , it also provides quantifiable reasons why randomly mixing crap in your garage can produce a sum worse than it's individuals. It's a great read for those who are interested.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...G44EgZVgKPa20g

We all have different business models. I see durable and disposable items. Cleaning stuff is disposable, holsters should be durable, LOL.
I am a proponent of running wet, especially when dusty and gritty. People who run dry guns in dusty environments just end up with dry dusty guns. This has been proven to me out in the desert time and again. I have seen multigun competitors really blow a match because they were afraid to run a gun wet.

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Originally Posted by JRCHolsters

We all have different business models. I see durable and disposable items. Cleaning stuff is disposable, holsters should be durable, LOL.
I am a proponent of running wet, especially when dusty and gritty. People who run dry guns in dusty environments just end up with dry dusty guns. This has been proven to me out in the desert time and again. I have seen multigun competitors really blow a match because they were afraid to run a gun wet.

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I agree, but some manufacturers recommend you run only a thin film, why I asked.

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium

I agree, but some manufacturers recommend you run only a thin film, why I asked.

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Just keep in mind that lots of the manufacturer recommendation on lube is from a bunch of non-shooting Engineering Depts. If it's a serious gun, run it wet. My not so politically correct statement is that your serious gun is like a high speed redhead...runs best wet.

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Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs

Just keep in mind that lots of the manufacturer recommendation on lube is from a bunch of non-shooting Engineering Depts. If it's a serious gun, run it wet. My not so politically correct statement is that your serious gun is like a high speed redhead...runs best wet.

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Damn you, Wayne. I've got a weakness for a certain sorta gal and that image is gonna be in my head the rest of the day...;)