I realize it's a pistol, but looking at it in the SBR role. Anyone have any experience with them?
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I realize it's a pistol, but looking at it in the SBR role. Anyone have any experience with them?
Buddy is a gunsmith at a local shop/range. He saw two in the same month that had failures with suppressors. One wouldnt work, even following the manual to the letter, other wouldnt feed next round.
Both my buddy and me have had good luck with ours.
No issues with running it suppressed with a 3 lug adapter
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Is it as overgassed as some people make it out to be, and what can do you use? How is the charging handle, being as loose as it is? Gut impression, would you trust it in a duty roll?
I seriously want to get an MPX and SBR it to a K-format, as totally impractical as it might be, mainly because I want to have a "legitimate" reason to have a pistol suppressor, and have the ability to fold up a long gun inside a messenger bag. Will have to see if a magwell grip is viable with such a thing though, since I'd probably be putting an X300U where the factory VFG/handstop thing goes.
I've shot a couple of them with Silencerco Octane suppressors attached without issue. Favorite "subgum " style weapon I've fired.
The recent NFA changes are driving me to add a 9mm SBR to the safe sooner rather than later. I've long been debating the merits of acquiring the MPX vs. a MP5 clone (likely the Zenith Z-5RS). The MP5 design is timeless but the future modularity of the MPX is very compelling. The MPX seems a bit more mature now that 'GEN2' has arrived. Has anyone fired one of these suppressed? How's the gas? I have a AAC Ti-Rant 9 and a 3-lug adapter that would go on whatever I pick up. This is undoubtedly a fun gun; I've got the other major bases covered.
Is the CZ Evo the Glock 19 of this category?
30 minute video comparison MPX and EVO. Interesting stuff on suppressors and overgassing.
https://www.full30.com/video/166b7f8...1716eb67b5d66b
Just got back from range with friend who has a SIG MPX pistol that he has SBR'd. Very nice. Running an Aimpoint H1 dot. I suspect it is a GEN1. It is overgassed and it really slings the brass. His has a folding and retracting SIG stock (apparently a new option). 8 inch barrel. We were on the IDPA bay at our private range and I really enjoyed running it on the plate racks and other steel. Definitely nice to shoot and I think it may be "smoother" shooting the gas operated MPX versus my blowback 9mm AR. Nice feature so that you can remove the barrel youself and switch barrels. Made me wonder about buying the 16 inch MPX now and SBR later by changing barrel and section of handguard. Mags seem expensive but he found three on sale on SIG webpage. The MPX SBR ran well on cheap 9mm 115FMJ bulk reloads. I want one.
FWIW, Nick Booras over at Side Project has stated that he's been working on a slim M-LOK handguard for the MPX, which will come at the very least in the normal length and the K length, and that 1.375" diameter cans fit under it, though such a can would make most of the M-LOK slots useless due to clearance issues (the 1030s and 0130s would be the only usable ones).
I'm very seriously considering an MPX-K for my PCC; as much as I love H&K, I just don't think the SP5K will come in at a competitive price, and the platform itself is rather dated.
The Atlantic Firearms sale on MKE roller locks broke my resolve. I had wanted to get into the PCC game before 41F took effect...Z-5RS on the way! The sale price basically covers the tax stamp...now to hunt for 922R complaint parts for the SBR build (one aspect that MPX owners doesn't have to deal with).
Atlantic Firearms Z-5RS
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/imag...%20of%201).jpg
(Disclaimer: I've no affiliation with Atlantic Firearms or MKE - just sharing a deal.)
I like the Sig's ergos, but it's rudely expensive and the magazines are rudely expensive too...and I've heard more than one complaint about guns that don't work.
A buddy of mine runs the gun counter at Colonial Shooting Academy. He has an earlier gen CZ that he's made some modifications to and has done the full SBR route on.
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He gave it to me for some trigger time while I was there and I put a couple of hundred rounds through it.
Mods include:
1. Different trigger spring which significantly improves trigger pull
2. Different safety lever which lessens the stabbing unpleasantness of the stock part. There is an AK style lever that works even better than the one he had on the gun
His worked splendidly with everything I fed it. It's a straight blowback gun which he says doesn't give you any problem with gas in the face when run with a can. I didn't play with it suppressed so I can't personally verify that, but I trust the guy 100%.
The gun thumps a little harder than I expected. For best results you really need to be aggressive behind the gun to keep it on a tight target with anything more than a 2 shot string. In full auto I can only imagine it's a real handful due to the blowback design and relatively light weight.
Mags for the gun run about 20 bucks.
Chief appeal is cost...for the cost of a competitor like the Zenith (which I like quite a bit) or the MPX, you can get the CZ, make the aforementioned upgrades, buy the folding stock, and pay the tax stamp...and still have money left over.
I recall you mentioning some time ago that you were going to pick up one of the Zenith pistols. Did you ever end up doing a write-up or review on it? I have an itch I need to scratch and I've been going back and forth between the Zenith and Brethren (price difference is about $300), would be interested to get your thoughts on yours.
I'm looking hard at the MPX to SBR. But if I went NFA/QC10 and run a Glock mag setup AR I could almost pay for the can with the savings. I see experiences with this platform as either great or bad. Any opinions?
I just bought a SIG MPX Gen 2 pistol from my favorite local gun store. Now to file the NFA form to SBR. My wife said I cannot no longer hang out with the shooting buddy who let me shoot his! She'll change her mind when she gets to shoot it.
Sig MPX is like a miniature AR in 9x19. I just refuse to get into any more Sigs. I went with CZ for that reason, and my Scorpion EVO sbr has been reliable, both suppressed (AAC Evo9 CQC), and without it as well. It has different controls than the SIG MPX, and is more like an AK in that sense. Trigger group is very AK-like as well - which isn't surprising, since it comes from an ex-iron curtain country. Price point is good too.
Another option, if you want to avoid both CZ and SIG USA, is to look at the Brugger & Thomet APC9. Price is significantly higher though, but you get the best of both worlds: reliability, similar controls to the AR, and compact size.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...sions-bt-apc9/
Shot one at a Range Demo (Texas International Firearms Festival). It is very impressive to me. Just can't afford one !
Wilson Combat just entered the fray:
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/rifle-ar...p#.Vytq2DArJaQ
They make them in pistol and carbine format, capable of taking Glock magazines, Beretta 92 magazines, or S&W M&P magazines. Given the typical price point on the MPX I'd be quite tempted to buy one of the WC guns instead of the MPX.
So far I quite like mine. I haven't done a whole lot of shooting with it because I haven't found a brace setup that I really like yet. But it's been reliable and accurate enough to reliably clear a plate rack at 50 yards. I've just been too busy/lazy to give it a really proper workout.
What is the difference between the MPX gen 1 and gen 2 ?
Also, What are the differences and compatibility between the Gen 1 and gen 2 mags ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp7WmEPyu_k
http://www.realgunreviews.com/sig-mp...ideo-analysis/
Long story short, Gen 1s are stuck in 9mm, while Gen 2 will have caliber conversion kits; receivers are interchangeable with lowers (thus Sig's solution of offering Gen 1 owners Gen 2 uppers at Gen 2 caliber conversion kit cost). Gen 1 and Gen 2 mags are interchangeable between both generations, but Sig recommends using like gen mags with like gen guns.
In theory I really like the MPX. I say in theory because one of my chief complaints about blowback 9mm carbines is that the recoil often feels heavier than a 556 rifle thus making my logic circuits go "Similar 556 recoil, less energy what's the point?" so the MPX being a short stroke gas piston appeals to me because the recoil should be almost non-existant which is far more appealing. But at $1800 for the carbine I'm still having a hard time with it. At $1800 part of me wants to get a 9mm Tavor because I like the Tavor a lot and it'd give me a short gun to shoot in USPSA PCC. But the Tavor 9mm is blowback and if I'm going to get a blowback 9mm might as well get a Scorpion for $800 less. This the circle my brain is going in for the last few days.
I have the carbine version of the MPX. Felt recoil is the same/slightly less than an MP5. I don't get all of these recoil complaints. Are people actually out there shooting them?
Best solution: buy an MP5, a scorpion, an MPX, GLOCK AR15 carbine, etc...but them all!
I got to handle a factory SBR MPX today. It had the new factory optic mounted on it that looks kind of like an Aimpoint. The reticle was more like an eotech though. Supposedly the sight is motion activated. Turns off after twenty minutes of no movement but turns on as soon as it is moved.
Anyway, the carbine appeared to be very well made. Everything locked up solid and worked smoothly. I did not get a chance to fire one. Supposedly SIG is working on integrally suppressed models as well as .40 and .357.
Cost for the 9mm ones I saw were $1200.00 with the sight. That was the non-cop street price.
That sounds like a great deal. I just paid $1150 for a pistol with just irons. Still gotta add a stock, sight and pay for the stamp
Resurrecting an old thread but felt like it belongs here rather than a new one.
What kind of setup/ammo/suppressor combos are people finding work well with the MPX?
I purchased a 6 inch barreled version. When it came in I did not have a fixed barrel spacer for my Eco 9, so I grabbed some Blazer 124gn, went to the range, and sighted in the RDS. I felt like I got good groups at 25 and 50 yards.
Well the fixed spacer came in last week, so I attached the Eco 9, grabbed some American Eagle 147gn to take full advantage of the suppressor and went to the range.
First 3 shots weren't centered, but were a respectable group. After that though, it really opened up and had no good consistency at all. Target looked like a shotgun was taken to it.
I checked both the RDS and can, they are both still nice and tight.
So I'm wondering if I need to give up on the subsonic ammo, try a longer barrel, or something else.
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Yes the can is under the handguards, sticks out around an inch past the handguard.
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Do some searching here in either CZ scorpion or suppressor threads. I recall PF member @PaulD had a similar issue.
Looks like he got his problems resolved with going to a 3 lug mount.
So far I can't find a 3 lug adapter for the Eco 9. They are no longer in production.
Slight off topic rant: I now have 2 cans which are out of production and when that happens, spare parts dry up super fast. My Trident 9 was top of the line when I purchased it and within 2 years I couldn't find any parts. Next time I purchase a can I'm going to buy every single adapter they make for it right away.
Anyway, back on topic.
Thanks for the help.
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